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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by hgomersall »

riedel wrote: post #249
card_zero wrote: post #177

> Interestingly, the research didn’t show significant improvements in cognitive ability; the phone ban group showed a modest 3% boost in working memory, and there were no improvements in sustained attention. Researchers suggest that these results might mean that changes in cognitive ability could take longer than the study period of 21 days to materialise. Notice how they had decided beforehand what they were going t…

This typically good science. You have hypothesis and test it, rather than doing an intervention and reporting every random thing that happened. Although I agree in this case, the alternative hypothesis seems a bit lame, rather than adopting the null hypothesis. On the other hand I guess that more sleep could have some effect on cognitive development in the long run.

Why should the null hypothesis be preferred?

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Post by Aeolun »

LoganDark wrote: post #153
warner25 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> along with my wifi router I'm all about eliminating phones, but I'm curious to know what you accomplished for several hours without network connectivity in general. Whether I've been working from home or in an office, a network outage basically meant taking the rest of the day off because nothing could actually get done.

> I'm curious to know what you accomplished for several hours without network connectivity in general. Making your bed, organizing your room, taking a shower / getting a haircut, doing laundry, whatever. You know, the stuff people tend to get behind on.

People get behind on taking a shower? Amongst that list it seems the only one you can’t skip out on.

Unless you start putting on dirty laundry. That’s probably worse.

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Post by eptcyka »

h4ch1 wrote: post #297

Seeing almost feral iPad kids has put me off giving my children a portable screen, especially one with unrestricted access to the internet. The surprising part is I grew up around computers and the internet (got my first email when i was 4) and have always had a desktop PC around, but somehow gravitated towards building websites, small C games, and even though YouTube, Metacafe, Facebook, Miniclip were easily accessi…

I tried writing C games when I was 12 and never got anywhere. I personally feel like I've cultivated quite the overgrowth of dopamine receptors now due to the access of the internet I had as a kid. Curiously, my parents tried to limit access for a long while, and for a long while, the desktop PC only had games and no internet. I do not think giving my child free access to the internet via a desktop would have a similar outcome to yours - not without replicating a whole lot of other environmental factors.

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Post by BoingBoomTschak »

eastbound wrote: post #230
safety1st wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah so the smartphones and socials can be difficult addictions to shake, but this is the flip side of it: when you do put them aside for an extended period of time you often see your productivity absolutely go through the roof. I started sticking my phone in my bag or in another room during my afternoon work session and my productivity with that time doubled, in terms of actual output - tasks completed, lines of cod…

By do you ruminate negative thoughts? That’s my excuse for keeping my phone playing at night: I’m single, and despite being a successful professional and trying hard at dating when I was younger, my private life is full of bad experiences. I think about it and get angry. Youtube masks it. Yes I’ve seen psychologists but no, really, they try to où the blame on me but every time it’s the others who bullied me. Anyway —…

Eh, I'm a handholdless wizard who's been down in the dumps for years now, so trust me when I say I know what you're feeling (kind of). The trick is that yes, we need distraction from our shitty lives and it's very comfortable sinking into a zoomer routine to numb yourself BUT you can get the same level of distraction from saner occupations, as long as you still have some fire inside you (often in the form of spite and bitterness, which are much healthier than simple decay).

Lift heavy objects and acquire mass, lose yourself in classic nerd crap (old school fantasy/SF novels, obscure music, do the Advent of Code in Lisp/ML/Forth/Prolog), solo hiking, drive fast, etc... embrace the loneliness and become someone better than the rabble, choose the path of the "Wanderer above the Sea of Fog", not that of the brainrotten goblin!

I'm not saying that existential pain will cease, especially when being around people with a normal life full of joy that seems so unattainable, but it certainly makes you feel better in the long term.

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Post by shadowerm »

eastbound wrote: post #230
safety1st wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah so the smartphones and socials can be difficult addictions to shake, but this is the flip side of it: when you do put them aside for an extended period of time you often see your productivity absolutely go through the roof. I started sticking my phone in my bag or in another room during my afternoon work session and my productivity with that time doubled, in terms of actual output - tasks completed, lines of cod…

By do you ruminate negative thoughts? That’s my excuse for keeping my phone playing at night: I’m single, and despite being a successful professional and trying hard at dating when I was younger, my private life is full of bad experiences. I think about it and get angry. Youtube masks it. Yes I’ve seen psychologists but no, really, they try to où the blame on me but every time it’s the others who bullied me. Anyway —…

What worked for me is getting in really good physical shape and good physical conditioning.

I can remember constantly thinking how much life sucked, no matter how good it actually was. Slowly, the negative thoughts just went away as my physical conditioning improved.

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Post by graemep »

h4ch1 wrote: post #297

Seeing almost feral iPad kids has put me off giving my children a portable screen, especially one with unrestricted access to the internet. The surprising part is I grew up around computers and the internet (got my first email when i was 4) and have always had a desktop PC around, but somehow gravitated towards building websites, small C games, and even though YouTube, Metacafe, Facebook, Miniclip were easily accessi…

> Maybe it's the way games and apps are designed these days and attempt to hijack your attention

Very much this. I think a social media ban would have most of the benefits of a mobile phone ban.

While you mention FB, you do not say when, and I do not think it was always as addictive.

The other problem with phones is that thy are very much consumption devices. You are not going to build websites, let along games, on one.

> bullying that is pervasive based on your status and wealth often displayed as the latest iPhone, Playstations, etc and the chance of them being outcasts for not conforming to such structures.

The real solution there is to find a different environment for them. Unless its a really toxic environment, its not a big issue. Do you really want your kids to grow up with having to conform to status and wealth displays?

People also tend to overestimate this. lots of people said my kids would be ostracised because we did not have a TV. it was not a problem.

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Post by als0 »

huijzer wrote: post #317
slavik81 wrote: post #303

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On the other hand, I locked my phone in a rental car and it took a week for them to mail it back to me. I was surprised, but I found that it made very little difference. I did not feel like I had any more time than usual. The only real impact was that I was locked out of anything that required two-factor authentication.

Get a few YubiKeys (or similar) and also link them. You only need one of the 2FA and can link multiple.

It's unfortunate that some sites only accept one Yubikey and not multiple.

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h4ch1 wrote: post #297

Seeing almost feral iPad kids has put me off giving my children a portable screen, especially one with unrestricted access to the internet. The surprising part is I grew up around computers and the internet (got my first email when i was 4) and have always had a desktop PC around, but somehow gravitated towards building websites, small C games, and even though YouTube, Metacafe, Facebook, Miniclip were easily accessi…

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Post by [deleted] »

gregwebs wrote: post #51

> challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days. It was not a ban during school. It was complete phone abstinence. The result was that the kids got an entire additional hour of sleep! Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night.

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Post by TOMDM »

IshKebab wrote: post #279
riedel wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This typically good science. You have hypothesis and test it, rather than doing an intervention and reporting every random thing that happened. Although I agree in this case, the alternative hypothesis seems a bit lame, rather than adopting the null hypothesis. On the other hand I guess that more sleep could have some effect on cognitive development in the long run.

Yes but their conclusion is "well our hypothesis is probably still right, we just didn't look hard enough" rather than "maybe it doesn't have a significant effect".

Well yes, that's just decent Bayesian rigor.

Previous studies have set a prior of x% confidence, you see evidence to the contrary, you update to some x-y%.

Given the volume of research on sleep, it probably takes more evidence, even if it's your own study to throw that out.

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