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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by bdangubic »

zdragnar wrote: post #90
bdangubic wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

rare as in 1,200+ in the last 4 years… https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings that’s about 1,200 more than parents worry about anything else

And the vast majority of those are accidental, drive by, and "escalation of dispute" per your link. These are not the kinds of shootings that parents want kids to be texting about, these are run of the mill gang activity. The mass violence shootings that you hear about on TV where anyone and everyone might be a victim are the exception, not the norm.

guessing you just might not be a parent yet…

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Post by quantumfissure »

bdangubic wrote: post #70
zdragnar wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an American, I'm at a loss trying to figure out when phones started being allowed in school. Back in my day, all electronics had to stay in your locker except your calculator, including pagers, personal organizers and for the very few kids who were wealthy enough to have one, phones as well. This would be about the time that Motorola and Nokia were selling giant bricks that they called phones. Edit: and no, school…

rare as in 1,200+ in the last 4 years… https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings that’s about 1,200 more than parents worry about anything else

Please keep in mind, these lists are usually completely arbitrary and have very loose definitions of "school shootings", based around the usual theatrics of security and terror theater.

Some examples that have been on these lists in the past:

- A school resource officers firearm that accidentally went off when a child hugged around his waist. No injuries (there are other questions, but doesn't qualify in the same way)

- An empty .22 casing found in a random school parking lot, probably fell out of a car or got caught in a boot or similar.

- A gang fight at 1am on a Saturday near to school property.

- My personal favorite: The two schools closest to me that showed up on one of the lists (Everytown, I believe?) because the police were dealing with an active robbery situation about 1/2 mi away and they asked the schools to go into lockdown. Apparently "lockdown" immediately and only ever means schools shooting.

- 2/3rd of school shootings that NPR couldn't verify happened.[1] [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-sch...

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Post by paulddraper »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #67
paulddraper wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Replace shooting with fire, flood, earthquake, tornado, etc IMO the objection is dumb regardless, but maybe that will help translate.

Fires, floods, earthquakes, tornadoes do not happen several times a week in the US, unlike mass shootings.

Are you talking about at schools or generally?

Both happen several times per week, neither happen several times per week at schools.

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Post by tomrod »

toasterlovin wrote: post #60
gregwebs wrote: post #51

> challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days. It was not a ban during school. It was complete phone abstinence. The result was that the kids got an entire additional hour of sleep! Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night.

I have a longstanding hunch that the whole “teenagers need more sleep” thing is greatly exaggerated and it’s just that teens just stay up too late because they’re extreme stimulation seekers. Phones have made things worse, but we’ve had TVs, etc for a long time.

Man, if my body was changing again so much that I was getting stretch marks, growing a few inches a quarter, and (for some) putting on 5s and 10s of pounds of muscle, fat, and bone, I'd imagine my metabolism would need sleep as well.

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Post by duxup »

My kid's school got a lot of press for a smartphone ban. To be clear you could still have a phone, it was just taken if anyone saw it during school hours. If you got caught 3 times your parents had to come retrieve it ... that last part did wonders.

I don't know how the sleep part plays into it, my oldest of course wants his phone with him at all times (he is required to put it away before bedtime).

I wonder if the school's ban encouraged parents to set similar restrictions?

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Post by _yb2s »

toasterlovin wrote: post #60
gregwebs wrote: post #51

> challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days. It was not a ban during school. It was complete phone abstinence. The result was that the kids got an entire additional hour of sleep! Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night.

I have a longstanding hunch that the whole “teenagers need more sleep” thing is greatly exaggerated and it’s just that teens just stay up too late because they’re extreme stimulation seekers. Phones have made things worse, but we’ve had TVs, etc for a long time.

It’s well documented that need for sleep continuously declines with age. However what you are saying is likely also true, which combine to make kids really sleep deprived.

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Post by phire »

tzs wrote: post #41

I didn't see anything about what the mechanism might be. Why would not having a smartphone in school affect sleep time, which I presume occurs at home? As a guess maybe without a smartphone the students pay attention more in class, which leads to them completing homework faster, meaning less having to stay up late for that? I'm guessing UK schools do give homework, because Hogwarts gives homework and I presume JK Row…

Because it wasn't a "smartphone ban".

They convinced a group of students to give up their phones completely for 21 days, outside of school too. The reason why they went to bed sooner is somewhat obvious.

It's not something you can replicate as a longer term policy, the students only participated because they knew it was short term and (presumably) they were rewarded for it.

And I suspect the effects only work in the short term. You removed their primary source of distraction and they simply wasn't enough time to develop new distraction habits. When I was a teen, I distracted myself from bed with TV, books and the family desktop computer.

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Post by phire »

trogdor wrote: post #87
gregwebs wrote: post #51

> challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days. It was not a ban during school. It was complete phone abstinence. The result was that the kids got an entire additional hour of sleep! Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night.

If you are saying that just based off of the linked article, I don’t think that is clear.

Seems clear enough to me:

"challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days."

I'm not sure how you can read "completely" as "only during school time"

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Post by bnj »

getnormality wrote: post #56
chollida1 wrote: post #35

In Ontario/Canada schools banned cell phones with much of any issue at all this year. My friends in the US seems shocked at the fact that kids couldn't have a phone during class hours. When I asked why their main issue was that if kids cell phones were in their lockers, how would they text their parents to say they were ok when their school had a shooting. Which just goes to show how much your environment affects you…

Do people really think this way? In good faith? They have such a high sense of risk from school shootings that they have to organize their daily activities around that possibility, regardless of whether it may be ruining the learning environment, the entire nominal purpose of school?

Yes, New York State is considering some form of cell phone restrictions in schools from the State level and there's substantial push back from parents who object that they need their kids to have a cell phone for safety reasons like a school shooting.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

hammock wrote: post #33
meow_mix wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4% is a pretty big lift imo And who knows how good it is for the quality of that sleep

Indeed, four times greater than the absolute risk reduction of sever illness or death provided by the Covid vaccine (Nb: among adults), which was also mandated in many places And the connection between sleep quality and early death is very well documented

It doesn't really make sense to compare the raw percentage of two completely different things. Especially when one is a percent change, and the other one is a percent risk.

There's a ton of health numbers that work out to 4%. Or 1%. Some of them have massive impacts on your life, and some of them are basically negligible.

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