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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by tzs »

I didn't see anything about what the mechanism might be. Why would not having a smartphone in school affect sleep time, which I presume occurs at home?

As a guess maybe without a smartphone the students pay attention more in class, which leads to them completing homework faster, meaning less having to stay up late for that? I'm guessing UK schools do give homework, because Hogwarts gives homework and I presume JK Rowling modeled Hogwarts after real UK school practice.

Or maybe not having a smartphone directly improves mood, and people in a better mood have an easier time getting to sleep?

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Post by card_zero »

LinuxBender wrote: post #22
eru wrote: post #9

Forcing every adult to exercise 30 minutes a day would probably also have positive health outcomes. But would that be a good enough reason to introduce such a policy?

It's been a thing in Japan off and on for a few decades at least resulting in fewer sick days. [1] I could see commercial gym's being upset if this were implemented. In the US and EU it would probably have to be voluntary at first with really good incentives to get people into it and would probably have to remain voluntary for one or two generations. I think a harder challenge would be to get rid of all the bad foods…

You're fucking serious?

I already get worn out physically by the thing I do for a living. I negotiated delicately to keep the amount of it I do to a minimum so that I can also do the things I regard as real life, which take place in bed with my laptop. If the government forces a mandatory half-hour of exercise on me I will get militant. I'm not gonna be frogboiled into accepting it, either.

One-size-fits-all solutions suck donkey balls.

Do they really have compulsory exercise in Japan? You say "off and on" ... so, I'm guessing, currently off?

Oh, from the link, it's mandated by the company you work for. That would select for office workers, and possibly fits Japan best considering the culture of being always in the office (asleep).

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Post by threeseed »

Sajarin wrote: post #39
m00x wrote: post #15

I feel like giving teachers and schools more freedoms to implement these things would be a great overall effect. We've seen a large reduction of what teachers are able to do in the last few decades because the school districts have continuously pushed bad policies to protect them against liability and extra work. My parents were both in the school system and every year they would get more rules to protect the distric…

Blaming the “system” is easy but is it the whole picture? How much of it is due to culture? Teachers in western countries are not as respected as teachers in other parts of the world. A few teachers abuse their authority and that results in outrage and lawsuits from parents, rightfully so. I can imagine in many schools in the US, if a cellphone ban were to be implemented, there would be a large outcry from parents on…

I wouldn't group all Western countries together.

The US has always been unique in having a very libertarian, freedom at all costs culture.

For example in Australia we have recently banned children from using social networks and this was supported by about 80% of the population.

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Post by Ponet1945 »

dabbledash wrote: post #31
eru wrote: post #9

Forcing every adult to exercise 30 minutes a day would probably also have positive health outcomes. But would that be a good enough reason to introduce such a policy?

No. Because it's inappropriate to treat adults like children.

why?

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Post by bryanlarsen »

chollida1 wrote: post #35

In Ontario/Canada schools banned cell phones with much of any issue at all this year. My friends in the US seems shocked at the fact that kids couldn't have a phone during class hours. When I asked why their main issue was that if kids cell phones were in their lockers, how would they text their parents to say they were ok when their school had a shooting. Which just goes to show how much your environment affects you…

According to my daughter, the Ontario ban had little effect on her high school. Before the ban, some teachers allowed phones, some didn't. After the ban, some teachers allow phones and some don't. Many teachers use internet resources in their classroom, and phones are how the students access those. There are Chromebooks available, but not enough for everybody, and they are in rough shape.

And the other daughter's middle school is still the same as before the ban. They previously had a ban stricter than the provincial government's mandate so nothing changed.

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Post by andrepd »

eru wrote: post #9

Forcing every adult to exercise 30 minutes a day would probably also have positive health outcomes. But would that be a good enough reason to introduce such a policy?

"Adult" being the crucial word here. I also can't tell adults to eat veggies but I can my kids :)

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Post by Cpoll »

zozbot234 wrote: post #40
chollida1 wrote: post #35

In Ontario/Canada schools banned cell phones with much of any issue at all this year. My friends in the US seems shocked at the fact that kids couldn't have a phone during class hours. When I asked why their main issue was that if kids cell phones were in their lockers, how would they text their parents to say they were ok when their school had a shooting. Which just goes to show how much your environment affects you…

> their main issue was that if kids cell phones were in their lockers, how would they text their parents to say they were ok when their school had a shooting. If the main purpose is just texting with their parents in case of emergency, they could get an old-fashioned pager for that. I heard that these devices are a pretty severe explosion hazard though.

You can't send messages with an old-fashioned pager. (There are two-way pagers, but I don't think those were ever common).

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Post by bdangubic »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #45
chollida1 wrote: post #35

In Ontario/Canada schools banned cell phones with much of any issue at all this year. My friends in the US seems shocked at the fact that kids couldn't have a phone during class hours. When I asked why their main issue was that if kids cell phones were in their lockers, how would they text their parents to say they were ok when their school had a shooting. Which just goes to show how much your environment affects you…

According to my daughter, the Ontario ban had little effect on her high school. Before the ban, some teachers allowed phones, some didn't. After the ban, some teachers allow phones and some don't. Many teachers use internet resources in their classroom, and phones are how the students access those. There are Chromebooks available, but not enough for everybody, and they are in rough shape. And the other daughter's mid…

this sounds possibly like a whole lot of things but “ban” is not one of them - maybe something like Ontario “you can do whatever teacher says” thing

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Post by bdangubic »

eru wrote: post #9

Forcing every adult to exercise 30 minutes a day would probably also have positive health outcomes. But would that be a good enough reason to introduce such a policy?

once you are adult you can claim “oh my freedom” and all that stuff… kids have no such luxury, it is on parents/teachers/community/policy/… to get them as best we can to adulthood and hence these two are not comparable. should we let kids snort coke during recess might be though (we don’t)

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Post by lmm »

bdangubic wrote: post #49
eru wrote: post #9

Forcing every adult to exercise 30 minutes a day would probably also have positive health outcomes. But would that be a good enough reason to introduce such a policy?

once you are adult you can claim “oh my freedom” and all that stuff… kids have no such luxury, it is on parents/teachers/community/policy/… to get them as best we can to adulthood and hence these two are not comparable. should we let kids snort coke during recess might be though (we don’t)

Banning something that you ban for adults as well is defensible. Insisting kids follow a standard of "healthy" that you won't apply to yourself smacks of hypocrisy and bullying.
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