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Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by imiric »

leni536 wrote: post #137
dymk wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In theory I can make bluetooth and wifi and deep-sleep work with Linux, but am I actually able to fix it? No, and not for a lack of trying. If we're talking about practical ability to fix what goes wrong with my daily driver, then macOS still wins hands down.

All of those work. As for bluetooth, I can connect multiple bluetooth headphones and playback audio at the same time. This is a bit fiddly, but I wouldn't even know where to start on some other systems.

I was recently shocked to find out that you can't change the volume in macOS when the machine is connected to a TV over HDMI[1]. Volume control is entirely disabled, and you need to adjust it via the TV. Or use a 3rd-party program.

This is absolutely insane.

I'm sure Apple will claim to have a very good reason for this, but the concept of controlling volume on audio devices has existed since the dawn of computer audio. All other operating systems do this as expected.

This is my main issue with using Apple devices. You either accept their vision of how to use the device you paid for, or consider yourself lucky that a 3rd-party solution exists (and that Apple has allowed to exist), which you also usually need to pay for. Insanity.

[1]: https://old.reddit.com/r/macmini/comments/lgfjax/is_it_possi...

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by saagarjha »

makeitdouble wrote: post #245
dymk wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In theory I can make bluetooth and wifi and deep-sleep work with Linux, but am I actually able to fix it? No, and not for a lack of trying. If we're talking about practical ability to fix what goes wrong with my daily driver, then macOS still wins hands down.

> deep-sleep Didn't Apple kill deep sleep/hibernation when transitioning to ARM ? It was touted as "Always On Processor" to mimic the iOS and iPadOS management of CPU and never shut it down.

No, that does things like Hey Siri.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by saagarjha »

imiric wrote: post #271
leni536 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of those work. As for bluetooth, I can connect multiple bluetooth headphones and playback audio at the same time. This is a bit fiddly, but I wouldn't even know where to start on some other systems.

I was recently shocked to find out that you can't change the volume in macOS when the machine is connected to a TV over HDMI[1]. Volume control is entirely disabled, and you need to adjust it via the TV. Or use a 3rd-party program. This is absolutely insane. I'm sure Apple will claim to have a very good reason for this, but the concept of controlling volume on audio devices has existed since the dawn of computer audi…

I assume the reason is that too many people don’t get audio over HDMI because one or the other volume controls is at 0.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by randyrand »

threeseed wrote: post #92
griomnib wrote: post #64

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Apple’s built-in backup solution is called Time Machine. It was dogshit when it launched a decade ago, never got more reliable despite many OS releases, and is still largely dogshit. The author of the blog makes an application that is very good at making backups on macOS and now their app is broken due to skullduggery by Apple. So the issue is threefold: a) Apple further turning MascOS into iPhone, b) this harms comp…

Or it's the same thing that has been happening for 15 years. People install .0, .1 or .2 release. Complain about bugs. Bugs get fixed. Repeat.

It's gotten so bad I normally wait until 0.7 (final release).

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by incompatible »

nine_k wrote: post #68
incompatible wrote: post #62

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Maybe boot a Linux USB drive and use dd to copy the drive? I assume this is too easy, but I'm curious about where it fails.

Maybe if the target device is the same part number (I assume an m.2 NVMe), that would work. IDK if it works with other drives, e.g. different capacity, let alone using a USB-attached drive. I don't know what bits, beyond the image proper, belong to the trusted signed set.

It would just be a bit-for-bit copy, so maybe it would work? I don't know what a trusted signed set is.

I'm mystified about why I'm getting downvoted for that question. If it's inadvertently stupid of insulting to Apple users, wouldn't an explanation be more useful then trying to censor it?

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by commandersaki »

keyle wrote: post #227
argsnd wrote: post #224

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You can either switch off Gatekeeper or go into the system settings to click open anyway. Yes, it’s annoying though.

No, this is what I'm saying, 15.1 removed the system settings to "open anyway". It's gone.

I had to find an application to test, so I downloaded the kitty terminal emulator for macOS which was just an executable.

I tried to execute it from the shell ./kitten-darwin-arm64 and it gave me an option to cancel or move to bin. I went to system settings -> privacy & security -> and told it to allow kitten-darwin-arm64. I then rerun ./kitten-darwin-arm64 and it now had the option to "Open Anyway".

So in 15.2 it is still possible to execute software by unidentified developers.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by randyrand »

therein wrote: post #3

It also kernel panics if you power down external monitor but keep HDMI connected or have an HDMI output device that is powered off. It was a great out-of-the-box experience for my new MacBook Pro.

Being 'upgraded' to macOS 15 is the worst part of buying a new macbook pro.

I counted 12 bugs during the first hour of use.

Makes we want to start a computer company.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by wruza »

datadrivenangel wrote: post #98
wruza wrote: post #79

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You cannot be productive with the default configuration. You’re just telling it to yourself, but it really sucks.

What are key configuration that needs to be changed?

Prevent taskbar from collapsing apps into a single icon.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by sumuyuda »

keyle wrote: post #229
sumuyuda wrote: post #212

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I haven’t updated to 15, but I thought they just removed the ability to run unsigned software by right clicking and selecting open. My understanding was you had to manually approve it in the system settings via Gatekeeper? Apple is 100% slowly boiling the frog in respect to locking down macOS to be like iOS. I already switched to Linux on my personal machines. I saw the writing on the wall when notarization was annou…

15.1 completely removed the ability to "open anyway" within the Privacy & Security panel, which was already a shocking way of handling it.

According to this post you can bring back running software from anywhere:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255759797?sortBy=rank

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by lapcat »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #83
sam1r wrote: post #12

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[flagged]

It’s not a PR stunt at all. If there is any PR benefit, it is totally incidental and not at all planned. The reality is that a core part of how the company’a product works is broken with the latest version. That means that customers of tools like Super Duper (and presumably also Carbon Copy Cloner) who rely on the tools for bootable backups need to potentially hold off on upgrading to 15.2. Considering that this is a…

> Phil Schiller (Apple’s head of marketing and the App Store) once said that “running to the press” doesn’t work

That was actually from the 2010 App Store Review Guidelines: "If you run to the press and trash us, it never helps."

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