This won't deter them. But something better than nothing.
McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis
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Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
The shady business practices of McKinsey and Purdue are responsible for getting a lot of people dependent on opioids, but the overdose deaths skyrocketed once doctors were forced to cut patients off of their prescriptions and into the fentanyl-ridden black market due to pressure from DEA. Drug War propaganda has convinced us that addiction is as bad as death, but personally, I would rather live a long, happy and prod…
> rather live a long, happy and productive life dependent on cheap, legal opioids That’s BS. OxyContin addicts tend to experience withdrawal symptoms before the recommended 12 hours is up, they also develop tolerance, so they end up requiring larger and larger dosage with increasing frequency. You’re not going to sustainably live a long, happy and productive life even if you have a cheap, steady, relatively clean sup…
Isn't that the same for coffee, though?
Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis
#163A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom.
> A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. I keep reading people who say, over and over again, that the war on drugs is a failure and that it's a mistake to try criminally prosecute suppliers and send them to prison. People will always find a way to get the drugs if they want them, we're told. But then I se…
The difference is consent, particularly at the very beginning.
Patients typically have to trust a doctor; the definition of consent in those circumstances is very strict, side effects have to be declared etc etc. Any abuse of that consent, like in this case, must be treated like a crime.
Whereas when it comes to individuals deciding on their own to experience something, it's all about personal responsibility.
Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis
#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, yes. We have a society built around concepts of individual liberty and respect for basic human rights. So all the rules were rolled back. The question is why they were rolled out in the first place. Even to this day there is a distinct lack of evidence that any given rule was helpful. We successfully transitioned from a world where everyone was eventually going to get COVID to a world where everyone eventually…
Contagious diseases aren’t compatible with the fantasy that individual liberty is always the highest good. That is why decades ago our society realized the need for public health authorities that can temporarily override individual liberties to protect society. Undoubtedly not all the COVID measures were perfect. Some ineffective measures were imposed, and some effective measures were not imposed. You can hindsight a…
I don't think anyone is questioning the existence of the institutions; armies can do what armies want for example and there isn't much anyone can do about it unless the army agrees with their plans. Can't get rid of armies though, we just do what we can and live with the residual risk.
The issue is more that in this case the institutions did act, in a panicky and random fashion that seems to, on balance, not have helped but rather violated a large number of human rights and good principles for no particular gain. The only policies that seemed effective were quarantines, light contact tracing, removing red tape and funding R&D. We can do all those things without unduly coercing anyone, they're pretty minor inconveniences compared to the madness that was actually unleashed.
Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis
#165A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom.
> A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. I keep reading people who say, over and over again, that the war on drugs is a failure and that it's a mistake to try criminally prosecute suppliers and send them to prison. People will always find a way to get the drugs if they want them, we're told. But then I se…
To add to other comments, this can also be partly justified by the fact that blue collar crime is the only kind of crime for which prevalence is even partly inversely correlated with the increase in severity in punishment.
Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis
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> lot of ppl on the left mad at billionaires too Seems the left were always in favor of Luigi. I'm more surprised by the right in the US. The days just after the shooting, they were all in favor too, but after their media pundits took an opposing stance, they joined the bandwagon and are now ranting about "muh poor CEO". Bunch of sheep I suppose.
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Come on dude
Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those organizations were doing so by government mandate — at the direction of government healthcare agencies. They didn’t invent those policies on their own. That’s “imposing” and it speaks to the lack of ethics in the healthcare system they joined in coercing medical treatments rather than refusing to perform treatments people were only accepting under duress.
The alternative of continuing isolation was available though impractical for many. The ethics around vaccination is it saved well over 1 million US lives without direct force, that’s a clear win by any reasonable ethical system. Being unable to be an unvaccinated healthcare worker is little different than requiring people wash hands, or preventing them from walking around shooting patients. PS: Actual estimates for l…
COVID vaccines weren’t believed to be QALY positive for a substantial period of the mandates, according to actuarial estimates.
The vaccines hospitalized at a rate higher than they prevented hospitalizations and the mandates applied to groups who were at virtually no risk.
> The ethics around vaccination is it saved well over 1 million US lives without direct force, that’s a clear win by any reasonable ethical system.
Except that force was used, to restrict the rights of those who didn’t comply with mandates. And numerous atrocities have been conducted by exactly that utilitarian mindset.
You can claim you needed to violate Nuremberg, but the data doesn’t support that and I’ll continue to think you’re morally defective.
Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
> rather live a long, happy and productive life dependent on cheap, legal opioids That’s BS. OxyContin addicts tend to experience withdrawal symptoms before the recommended 12 hours is up, they also develop tolerance, so they end up requiring larger and larger dosage with increasing frequency. You’re not going to sustainably live a long, happy and productive life even if you have a cheap, steady, relatively clean sup…
Isn't that the same for coffee, though?
Caffeine and sugar are also addictive drugs. Caffeine significantly increases the risk of a heart attack. Refined sugar has numerous slow-motion-car-crash health effects, from tooth damage to obesity to diabetes.
Both would be heavily regulated if they were new prescription medications.
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Its complex cause you cant really find one person to blame. What no one really says is we are struggling with complexity overload. And what complicates it is all the people's wealth and status accumulation falsely signals control. When they really have less and less control the more complex the system gets. When you look at pentagon leaders and afg/iraq or Wall St CEOs and 2008 gfc or the Pope and the peado army or l…
It's trivial to find who to blame - just follow the money. Hit the investors with sentences proportional to their stake of ownership, and just like magic, executives who enable criminal behavior will become rather less popular and internal oversight much more so. Of course this will never happen, since the lack of culpability is the point.
I’d really rather not jail people who didn’t do anything illegal
Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes — they were coerced by the state including having normal freedoms removed, which is what generally defines “legal obligation”.
If you're talking about legal matters then words are important. No one was ever forced to take a vaccine. Nor were they coerced by the state.
They were coerced by the state: they issued mandates which required vaccination to engage in normal rights. That’s the literal definition of coercion.
I think it’s interesting how many people deny that — almost as if you know what was done is morally repugnant.