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macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by alexeiz »

submeta wrote: post #100

This is bad. - Just recently I broke my system badly. So I decided to erase my system and re-setup from time machine. After several unsuccessful attemts I realized that my Time Machine backup (1.45 tb) exceeded my ssd capacity (1 tb). I did research, and learned not to prune my Time Machine backups. As that may corrupt it. So after several days and failed attempts to restore from time machine and after some research…

> Second person told me to buy a new Mac with 2 tb ssd and restore to that.

Or you can just upgrade the SSD as you would do with any normal laptop. Oh, wait...

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

germandiago wrote: post #138

My bext comouter will not be a Mac. Works nice but the lock-in is crazy all the time.

Yup both Mac and Windows have a better replacement now: Linux. Thanks to all the hardware vendors and Valve, Linux has become a better desktop alternative for sure.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

sinfulprogeny wrote: post #131
deaddodo wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't me trying to convince you to use Linux, but the listed reasons (other than LLM testing) aren't real deterrents (and there are plenty that exist for many people, no use pretending not): > Acorn GIMP (or Glimpse, if you want a more modern UI) or Krita can definitely do pretty much anything Acorn can. > Keyboard Maestro GNOME and KDE have been able to do this out of the box from pretty much the beginning. The…

> GIMP (or Glimpse, if you want a more modern UI) or Krita can definitely do pretty much anything Acorn can. I'm fairly certain that anyone who recommends GIMP hasn't really used GIMP.

I have been using gimp for almost a decade now.

Granted, I am not a professional in that field, but why would I not recommend it ?

It does everything I want to, and more.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by noisy_boy »

mrpippy wrote: post #102
nikisweeting wrote: post #95

Article is pretty unclear, "copying" can mean many things to many different people: cp -r / /Volumes/Clone # this never worked # what about rsync, does this still work? rsync --acls --archive --hard-links --one-file-system --sparse --xattrs / /Volumes/CLONE sudo bless -folder /Volumes/CLONE/System/Library/CoreServices # what about block-level copying, does this still work? sudo dd if=/dev/rdisk2 of=/dev/rdisk4 bs=1m…

It’s documented in their older blog posts, I believe they use the ‘asr’ utility to copy the OS install. The many partitions that make up a macOS install means that cp or rsync isn’t enough. dd would do it, but at great cost in flexibility (can’t back up to a smaller disk, or select files) and speed

> dd would do it, but at great cost in flexibility (can’t back up to a smaller disk, or select files) and speed

I mean if we are talking about copying the whole OS or disk, that is a very macro operation. The fine-tuning can be done at the target location after copy like removing unwanted files/resizing partitions etc. No idea how slow would dd be but I thought you could specify larger blocksize for better performance (hoping someone more knowledgeable on dd can add their views).

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by kstenerud »

submeta wrote: post #100

This is bad. - Just recently I broke my system badly. So I decided to erase my system and re-setup from time machine. After several unsuccessful attemts I realized that my Time Machine backup (1.45 tb) exceeded my ssd capacity (1 tb). I did research, and learned not to prune my Time Machine backups. As that may corrupt it. So after several days and failed attempts to restore from time machine and after some research…

I've really been noticing how Apple software quality has been on a slow decline since Snow Leopard. I look at some of their older source code and it's a joy to read!

Nowadays, my daily travails with restarting Xcode multiple times a day to work around bugs (package blahblah is not available) have really worn thin (I mean, Xcode has always had problems, but not THIS bad). Add to that the fact that the "system data" on my mbp now takes up 80% of the space on my SSD (800GB of system data! Even after manually deleting caches and derived data)...

It's like they don't even care about code craftsmanship anymore. And yet their culture of not putting in useful debug messages (because "it just works") persists.

My latest and greatest headache? Some parts of AppKit now directly call [NSApplication _crashOnException:] regardless of the "NSApplicationCrashOnExceptions" setting, and WITHOUT even calling [NSApplication reportException:]. So now you lose the exception entirely and good luck figuring out what caused the crash. Ugh...

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by pjmlp »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #142
germandiago wrote: post #138

My bext comouter will not be a Mac. Works nice but the lock-in is crazy all the time.

Yup both Mac and Windows have a better replacement now: Linux. Thanks to all the hardware vendors and Valve, Linux has become a better desktop alternative for sure.

The day Microsoft decides Proton is a nuisance that gaming alternative is gone, as Valve decided fostering a GNU/Linux game ecosystem wasn't worth it.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by noisy_boy »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #142
germandiago wrote: post #138

My bext comouter will not be a Mac. Works nice but the lock-in is crazy all the time.

Yup both Mac and Windows have a better replacement now: Linux. Thanks to all the hardware vendors and Valve, Linux has become a better desktop alternative for sure.

And Linux works pretty nicely with Android too - not hand-in-glove cohesion like Apple can provide for obvious reasons, but practically all vendors provide tools to switch pretty easily during the device setup stage and Syncthing provides amazing flexibility in managing data between Android and Linux devices on an ongoing basis.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by cynicalsecurity »

I'm amazed to people's reaction to this. You themselves have chosen to use a walled garden closed source OS. What did you expect? Apple not screwing you? Apple has been doing everything to hint they are turning macOS from general purpose OS into iOS-like nonsense. Why are you even surprised? Switching to Linux is long time overdue.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by whitehexagon »

haileys wrote: post #25

> This sucks. We think it sucks. You think it sucks. But we can't fix it: Apple has to do so. And this is why I gave up on macOS several years ago now and moved to Linux. It's not about which OS is better or worse. All software has bugs. It's about the empowerment to _do something_ about the inevitable bugs, rather than wait and hope that a fix comes down from above.

I'm part way down this path. I bought a 2nd-hand M1 that only runs Asahi Linux (mainly for OpenGL/Vulkan and being able to use the unified memory for local LLMs). Still trying to find replacement apps to fully transition away from my old mac.

Especially, I'd love to find a tool as great as SuperDuper for my backups. I've been running it for 16 years now, including some full restores along the way. Thanks to the devs for a dependable tool! Pretty sure I used it to migrate laptops, which I imagine is also something that would be more tricky with later macos versions.

Anyway, I hope apple fix this bug soon. If not, then I'll look forward to buying a linux license for SuperDuper one day.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by khana »

submeta wrote: post #100

This is bad. - Just recently I broke my system badly. So I decided to erase my system and re-setup from time machine. After several unsuccessful attemts I realized that my Time Machine backup (1.45 tb) exceeded my ssd capacity (1 tb). I did research, and learned not to prune my Time Machine backups. As that may corrupt it. So after several days and failed attempts to restore from time machine and after some research…

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