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macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by com2kid »

kelnos wrote: post #32
haileys wrote: post #25

> This sucks. We think it sucks. You think it sucks. But we can't fix it: Apple has to do so. And this is why I gave up on macOS several years ago now and moved to Linux. It's not about which OS is better or worse. All software has bugs. It's about the empowerment to _do something_ about the inevitable bugs, rather than wait and hope that a fix comes down from above.

And not just that: if an update breaks my Linux install, I can figure out what broke it and roll back to an older version. Rolling back updates on macOS or Windows is just... not really a thing, at least not without a full reinstall, assuming you even have installation media for older versions these days.

Windows automatically save a restore point before updates are installed and rolling back - assuming the machine isn't bricked - is really simple.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by EasyMark »

a1o wrote: post #16
sam1r wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Well, Apple has a super weird bug tracker that you can report stuff but you are kept super in the dark - I remember reporting Safari bugs in the early days of WASM and it was zero communication until the bug got fixed.

it's called radar I believe and they've used it for a long long time. I always assumed it was built completely in house in the before times

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by EasyMark »

dymk wrote: post #40
haileys wrote: post #25

> This sucks. We think it sucks. You think it sucks. But we can't fix it: Apple has to do so. And this is why I gave up on macOS several years ago now and moved to Linux. It's not about which OS is better or worse. All software has bugs. It's about the empowerment to _do something_ about the inevitable bugs, rather than wait and hope that a fix comes down from above.

In theory I can make bluetooth and wifi and deep-sleep work with Linux, but am I actually able to fix it? No, and not for a lack of trying. If we're talking about practical ability to fix what goes wrong with my daily driver, then macOS still wins hands down.

you can fix it by buying a linux compatible laptop/pc or building one with known compatibility.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by eviks »

codazoda wrote: post #30
jeffbee wrote: post #22

Gotta be honest, I find the idea of a bootable backup disk to be defective. What if it was an OS bug that wiped out your volume, and booting the backup does the exact same thing to the backup, because of the same bug?

Yeah, I don’t understand system backups anymore. I keep everything I care about in a single directory and clone that to the cloud. I no longer need to worry about backups outside of this. It’s easy enough to install a fresh OS and restore my directory. I’ll need to install a few apps but I’ll also have a nice clean system to work with.

And if you have many apps and don't treat your carefully edited configs as dirt, you'll understand it'd be a giant waste of time to recreate from scratch

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by eviks »

xyst wrote: post #17

Apple just can’t add features to their OS without breaking existing ones. Probably used Apple Intelligence to QA the OS release. Steve Jobs would be disgusted at what his company has become. “Just works”, my ass

The myth of Jobs would be disgusted, the real guy shipped the same

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by dymk »

EasyMark wrote: post #44
dymk wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In theory I can make bluetooth and wifi and deep-sleep work with Linux, but am I actually able to fix it? No, and not for a lack of trying. If we're talking about practical ability to fix what goes wrong with my daily driver, then macOS still wins hands down.

you can fix it by buying a linux compatible laptop/pc or building one with known compatibility.

Oh cool, all I have to do is buy new hardware when the software breaks during updates or when Mercury is in retrograde

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by realusername »

alwayslikethis wrote: post #37
iamnotsure wrote: post #24

managed software, managed hardware, managed people

One of the worst things about the move to smartphones is the inability to make full backups. I don't understand. It's my own device, all the data belongs to me, and I should be able to back it up whenever I want.

Some data is even completely unaccessible, like the app usage on Android. You can view it, but you can't export it in any shape or form.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by FredPret »

com2kid wrote: post #41
kelnos wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And not just that: if an update breaks my Linux install, I can figure out what broke it and roll back to an older version. Rolling back updates on macOS or Windows is just... not really a thing, at least not without a full reinstall, assuming you even have installation media for older versions these days.

Windows automatically save a restore point before updates are installed and rolling back - assuming the machine isn't bricked - is really simple.

Windows Update once borked my overnight ML job to install “critical updates; reboot required” on my desktop.

I bought a MacBook the next day and put Linux on that desktop. 100% happier.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by avalys »

EasyMark wrote: post #44
dymk wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In theory I can make bluetooth and wifi and deep-sleep work with Linux, but am I actually able to fix it? No, and not for a lack of trying. If we're talking about practical ability to fix what goes wrong with my daily driver, then macOS still wins hands down.

you can fix it by buying a linux compatible laptop/pc or building one with known compatibility.

It is impossible for a Linux-compatible PC to have a problem with Linux, because if a PC has a problem with Linux, it is obviously not Linux-compatible.

Therefore, if you ever have a problem with Linux on your PC, it is your fault for expecting Linux to work on your non-compatible PC, and you cannot blame the difficulty of fixing the problem on Linux.

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