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Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by freedomben »

codemac wrote: post #41
freedomben wrote: post #24

> You can’t sue your way to AGI. We have great respect for Elon’s accomplishments and gratitude for his early contributions to OpenAI, but he should be competing in the marketplace rather than the courtroom. Isn't that exactly what he's doing with x.ai? Grok and all that? IIRC Elon has the biggest GPU compute cluster in the world right now, and is currently training the next major version of his "competing in the mar…

> biggest GPU compute cluster in the world right now This is wildly untrue, and most in industry know that. Unfortunately you won't have a source just like I won't, but just wanted to voice that you're way off here.

> This is wildly untrue, and most in industry know that. Unfortunately you won't have a source just like I won't, but just wanted to voice that you're way off here.

Sure, we probably can't know for sure who has the biggest as they try to keep that under wraps for competition purposes, but it's definitely not "wildly untrue." A simple search will show that they have if not the biggest, damn near one of the biggest. Just a quick sample:

https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-netwo...

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/worlds-fastest-supercomputer-plea...

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/elon-musk-to...

https://www.capacitymedia.com/article/musks-xais-colossus-cl...

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by bobthebuilders »

talldayo wrote: post #38
colechristensen wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of these days if AGI ever does actually come about, we might very well have to go to war with them. There might be a day where billionaires employ zero humans and themselves merge with the AGI in a way that makes them not quite human any more. The amount of data being collected about everyone and what machine learning can already do with it is frightening. I'm afraid the reaction to AI when it actually becomes a…

> One of these days if AGI ever does actually come about, we might very well have to go to war with them. And the same conditions of material wealth that dictate traditional warfare will not be changed by the ChatGPT for Warlords subscription. This entire conversation is silly and predicated on beliefs that cannot be substantiated or delineated logically. You (and the rest of the AI preppers) are no different than th…

The rules of traditional warfare will still exist, they will just be fought by advanced hyper intelligent AIs instead of humans. Hunter Miller humanoids like Optimus and drones like Anduril will replace humans in war.

War will be the same, but the rich are preparing to unleash a "new arsenal of democracy" against us in an AI takeover. We must be prepared.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by rvz »

codemac wrote: post #41
freedomben wrote: post #24

> You can’t sue your way to AGI. We have great respect for Elon’s accomplishments and gratitude for his early contributions to OpenAI, but he should be competing in the marketplace rather than the courtroom. Isn't that exactly what he's doing with x.ai? Grok and all that? IIRC Elon has the biggest GPU compute cluster in the world right now, and is currently training the next major version of his "competing in the mar…

> biggest GPU compute cluster in the world right now This is wildly untrue, and most in industry know that. Unfortunately you won't have a source just like I won't, but just wanted to voice that you're way off here.

It is true. [0]

[0] https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-netwo...

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by Etheryte »

freedomben wrote: post #24

> You can’t sue your way to AGI. We have great respect for Elon’s accomplishments and gratitude for his early contributions to OpenAI, but he should be competing in the marketplace rather than the courtroom. Isn't that exactly what he's doing with x.ai? Grok and all that? IIRC Elon has the biggest GPU compute cluster in the world right now, and is currently training the next major version of his "competing in the mar…

Surely Meta has the biggest compute in that category, no? I wouldn't be surprised if Elon went around saying that to raise money though.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by moralestapia »

topspin wrote: post #29
moralestapia wrote: post #7

Yes ... and? The part that raises eyebrows is how a non-profit suddenly become a for-profit, from a legal standpoint.

A non-profit with a for-profit subsidiary... Legal, despite the stench.

(Could still be) illegal.

Private inurement is a thing. There are laws written explicitly to prevent this.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by lsy »

I guess it's not news but it is pretty wild to see the level of millenarianism espoused by all of these guys.

The board of OpenAI is supposedly going to "determine the fate of the world", robotics to be "completely solved" by 2020, the goal of OpenAI is to "avoid an AGI dictatorship".

Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? So far we are multiple years in with much investment and little return, and no obvious large-scale product-market fit, much less a superintelligence.

As a bonus, they lay out the OpenAI business model:

> Our fundraising conversations show that:

> * Ilya and I are able to convince reputable people that AGI can really happen in the next ≤10 years

> * There’s appetite for donations from those people

> * There’s very large appetite for investments from those people

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by freedomben »

axus wrote: post #47
freedomben wrote: post #24

> You can’t sue your way to AGI. We have great respect for Elon’s accomplishments and gratitude for his early contributions to OpenAI, but he should be competing in the marketplace rather than the courtroom. Isn't that exactly what he's doing with x.ai? Grok and all that? IIRC Elon has the biggest GPU compute cluster in the world right now, and is currently training the next major version of his "competing in the mar…

Maybe Elon is doing both, competing in the marketplace and in the courtroom. And in advising the president to regulate non-profit AI .

Agree, he is doing both. But if he's competing in the marketplace, it seems pretty off base for Open AI to tell him he should be competing in the marketplace. So I think my criticism stands.
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