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How I Stopped Worrying and Started Loving PyLadies

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Re: How I Stopped Worrying and Started Loving PyLadies

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Post by roguelynn »

jff wrote: post #7
roguelynn wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We have created this diversity statement because we believe that a diverse Python community is stronger and more vibrant. A diverse community where people treat each other with respect has more potential contributors and more sources for ideas." Source: http://www.python.org/community/diversity/ Universal Design, the idea that produces "buildings, products and environments that are inherently accessible to both peop…

> Think about it, if Apple had a woman's input, do you think it'd be named iPad?!? For f*ck sake, it's the most ridiculous name ever, reminding half the population of the embarrassing trip to the drug store. I'm sorry, what? Do women get "embarrassing reminders" every time they pick up a note PAD, or use PADmapper, or discover that someone has PADded their resume?

your sentence made me cringe. thanks.

Re: How I Stopped Worrying and Started Loving PyLadies

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Post by jnoller »

jnoller wrote: post #10

Other Python/Outreach/Education Resources: Python Core mentorship: http://pythonmentors.com/ PSF Outreach and Education committee: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/outreach-and-educati... - this is meant to help identify groups/etc for the PSF to help fund. Via the http://www.python.org/psf/grants/ program(s) (see also resolutions: http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/ ) Boston Python Workshop:…

Missed:

http://opensourcebridge.org/

http://www.blackgirlscode.com/

http://www.girlswhocode.com/

Re: How I Stopped Worrying and Started Loving PyLadies

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Post by kingkilr »

jnoller wrote: post #10

Other Python/Outreach/Education Resources: Python Core mentorship: http://pythonmentors.com/ PSF Outreach and Education committee: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/outreach-and-educati... - this is meant to help identify groups/etc for the PSF to help fund. Via the http://www.python.org/psf/grants/ program(s) (see also resolutions: http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/ ) Boston Python Workshop:…

Since it's not linked from the PyLadies main page (AFAICT): PyLadies SF: http://www.meetup.com/PyLadiesSF/

Re: How I Stopped Worrying and Started Loving PyLadies

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Post by briancurtin »

jps359 wrote: post #3

Honestly, I didn't gain anything from reading this. The PyLadies announcement is awesome and it really doesn't take a big writeup to understand why.

Good on you.

Unfortunately male privilege, usually white male privilege, doesn't allow a large portion of the audience to "get it".

Re: How I Stopped Worrying and Started Loving PyLadies

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Post by jmduke »

roguelynn wrote: post #5
goodside wrote: post #2

"So first of all, let’s get one thing out of the way: Diversity is good for a community. "If we can’t agree on this fact, the rest of the article is futile. There are many studies that support this point and if you’re not convinced, this article isn’t for you." I'll bite: What real-world measure of goodness (that isn't tautologically identical to diversity) has been shown to increase as a function of an open-source c…

"We have created this diversity statement because we believe that a diverse Python community is stronger and more vibrant. A diverse community where people treat each other with respect has more potential contributors and more sources for ideas." Source: http://www.python.org/community/diversity/ Universal Design, the idea that produces "buildings, products and environments that are inherently accessible to both peop…

I'm not criticizing your broader point, but I'd love to see your source that the entire marketing department at Apple is male.

Re: How I Stopped Worrying and Started Loving PyLadies

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Post by rada »

jff wrote: post #7
roguelynn wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We have created this diversity statement because we believe that a diverse Python community is stronger and more vibrant. A diverse community where people treat each other with respect has more potential contributors and more sources for ideas." Source: http://www.python.org/community/diversity/ Universal Design, the idea that produces "buildings, products and environments that are inherently accessible to both peop…

> Think about it, if Apple had a woman's input, do you think it'd be named iPad?!? For f*ck sake, it's the most ridiculous name ever, reminding half the population of the embarrassing trip to the drug store. I'm sorry, what? Do women get "embarrassing reminders" every time they pick up a note PAD, or use PADmapper, or discover that someone has PADded their resume?

I don't but I do cringe whenever I see the world "niggardly" regardless of how objectively irrational that is. There is a lot of nuance that goes into product branding. The parent is not making as absurd a point as you think she (?) is.

Re: How I Stopped Worrying and Started Loving PyLadies

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Post by pnathan »

goodside wrote: post #2

"So first of all, let’s get one thing out of the way: Diversity is good for a community. "If we can’t agree on this fact, the rest of the article is futile. There are many studies that support this point and if you’re not convinced, this article isn’t for you." I'll bite: What real-world measure of goodness (that isn't tautologically identical to diversity) has been shown to increase as a function of an open-source c…

When a group is more gender-equal, in my experience, it's more polite.

Re: How I Stopped Worrying and Started Loving PyLadies

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Post by goodside »

roguelynn wrote: post #5
goodside wrote: post #2

"So first of all, let’s get one thing out of the way: Diversity is good for a community. "If we can’t agree on this fact, the rest of the article is futile. There are many studies that support this point and if you’re not convinced, this article isn’t for you." I'll bite: What real-world measure of goodness (that isn't tautologically identical to diversity) has been shown to increase as a function of an open-source c…

"We have created this diversity statement because we believe that a diverse Python community is stronger and more vibrant. A diverse community where people treat each other with respect has more potential contributors and more sources for ideas." Source: http://www.python.org/community/diversity/ Universal Design, the idea that produces "buildings, products and environments that are inherently accessible to both peop…

These are all policy statements and intuition-based speculations. I don't doubt for an instant that many people have speculated about why diversity might be good for software. What I doubt the existence of are empirical studies showing that diversity benefits open-source software in some measurable way. The original article seemed to be under the impression that such studies are common, and that their interpretation is so thoroughly beyond dispute that the point needn't be considered further.

Re: How I Stopped Worrying and Started Loving PyLadies

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Post by ajross »

goodside wrote: post #2

"So first of all, let’s get one thing out of the way: Diversity is good for a community. "If we can’t agree on this fact, the rest of the article is futile. There are many studies that support this point and if you’re not convinced, this article isn’t for you." I'll bite: What real-world measure of goodness (that isn't tautologically identical to diversity) has been shown to increase as a function of an open-source c…

I'll bite too: state that theorem as its inverse and dare to argue for it: Demographic uniformity is a good thing.

"Lack of diversity" means that people are excluded from a community, either actively or passively. That's a "bad thing" pretty much by definition. You're thinking about the metric ("how many women?"), while the author is thinking about the mechnism implied ("something is keeping women out").

The former is data, and I guess you can argue that it's neither bad nor good. But surely you agree that the latter is bad, right? If there were something keeping women out of the community, you'd want to fix it. Right?

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