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Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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do they really, or is windows just what they use to launch excel? I don't know a single software developer that prefers windows anymore.

Most of the software world is on Windows.

Maybe if you count game development. And, if you’re generous, development environments that run inside a Linux VM hosted by Windows (WSL counts).

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Hi, I’m a software developer that prefers Windows. I make video games. Most video game devs used Windows. Most video games are played on Windows. In a great twist of irony a majority of gaming hours spent on Linux now do so through SteamOS and is doing so by emulating Windows! (Well, close enough). Developing on Linux sucks and is bad. There’s no good debugger. glibc is a nightmare of bad design. Linux package manage…

Doesn’t this depend on the game engine you use? I’m not a professional video game dev but I’ve dabbled with Godot on non-windows OSes and didn’t find it to be a terrible experience

Godot is cool. It’s currently for hobbyists.

Unity works great on macOS. Mobile devs are probably mostly on macOS and Unity. PC and console devs are all Windows though.

Unreal probably works ok on macOS. But as the games are all PC and console games the devs are on Windows. Debugging consoles is typically done via Visual Studio only. And the adult version, not VSCode.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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do they really, or is windows just what they use to launch excel? I don't know a single software developer that prefers windows anymore.

Most of the software world is on Windows.

It's really bad, though. Like ... objectively abysmal. No other popular platform is more dev-hostile. I think most folks are there because they lack choice or experience with alternatives.

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Microsoft's problem has never been their hardware. You can argue their Surface and Surface pro line up is far far a better feat of engineering (stuffing a full blown desktop grade processor into a mobile tablet) than any iPad Pro. However, their achilles heel has always been their software. Though Windows has improved a lot over the years, its shitty data collection and privacy practices and changing around of UI ele…

> Microsoft's problem has never been their hardware.

The Xbox 360 says hi.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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do they really, or is windows just what they use to launch excel? I don't know a single software developer that prefers windows anymore.

Hi, I’m a software developer that prefers Windows. I make video games. Most video game devs used Windows. Most video games are played on Windows. In a great twist of irony a majority of gaming hours spent on Linux now do so through SteamOS and is doing so by emulating Windows! (Well, close enough). Developing on Linux sucks and is bad. There’s no good debugger. glibc is a nightmare of bad design. Linux package manage…

i would like to highlight, and not discredit, the great work valve has done for the linux ecosystem, namely in getting arch based distros to a quality that hacker news comments can write it off as “emulating windows”

for example, all my non-windows, non-steam gamepad support stems from valve investing in improving upstream compatibility to where devices just work, without needing to go to a vendor website to download an .exe for a driver— now that’s emulating windows.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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do they really, or is windows just what they use to launch excel? I don't know a single software developer that prefers windows anymore.

I know plenty, devs all over the spectrum. And the data back it up. https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology/

This is the question from the survey:

> What is the primary operating system in which you work?

It doesn't ask anything about preference and I wager most people don't have a say in OS for their jobs. Same reason that Microsoft Teams is the most "popular" synchronous tool, yet so low in the "admired" section.

That's not to say you're wrong, just that the data you linked to does not "back it up".

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Most of the software world is on Windows.

It's really bad, though. Like ... objectively abysmal. No other popular platform is more dev-hostile. I think most folks are there because they lack choice or experience with alternatives.

Mac user here, and I think Mac really isn't far away from being worst.

Between only now finally getting tiling[1], menus filled with items I haven't seen anyone use, and since WSL came on Windows it is now the absolutely most clumsy mainstream thing to install a standard tool. Oh, and shortcuts.

I still use it because it is silent, has a good display, just works when I open it, has a battery that actually last all day and because IT departments don't know how to lock it down.

[1]: although I cannot use it because then I would have to re-enable "spaces pr screen" which

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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post #47

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I know plenty, devs all over the spectrum. And the data back it up. https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology/

This is the question from the survey: > What is the primary operating system in which you work? It doesn't ask anything about preference and I wager most people don't have a say in OS for their jobs. Same reason that Microsoft Teams is the most "popular" synchronous tool, yet so low in the "admired" section. That's not to say you're wrong, just that the data you linked to does not "back it up".

The question isn’t wether they want to use windows but if they’re productive using it. Unless you want to claim that a large proportion of devs isn’t productive, having a proportion of devs use windows proves that it works.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the question from the survey: > What is the primary operating system in which you work? It doesn't ask anything about preference and I wager most people don't have a say in OS for their jobs. Same reason that Microsoft Teams is the most "popular" synchronous tool, yet so low in the "admired" section. That's not to say you're wrong, just that the data you linked to does not "back it up".

The question isn’t wether they want to use windows but if they’re productive using it. Unless you want to claim that a large proportion of devs isn’t productive, having a proportion of devs use windows proves that it works.

It seemed like "productive" was used in a relative sense. Would all those people be more productive on macOS or Linux? That's not clear.

Also, I thought the parent was replying to the following part, considering they said "I know plenty".

> I don't know a single software developer that prefers windows anymore.

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