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Re: Timemap.org – Interactive Map of History

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Hi HN! I’m Klokan, one of the creators of TimeMap. It’s exciting to see this project here — thank you for the interest and support! We just launched TimeMap on Product Hunt: https://www.producthunt.com/posts/timemap If you find what we’re building valuable, an UPVOTE there would mean a lot. Stanford University recently hosted an event to introduce TimeMap to the world, which you can check out here: * Recording on You…

Interesting. It seems a bit slow but perhaps that's my laptop.

Why are the boundaries of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden not shown for the Kalmar Union? They are for England at Scotland in 1620 when they were under the personal union of James, (VI of Scotland I of England). What's the reason for the difference?

Re: Timemap.org – Interactive Map of History

#133
post #82

It would be even more interesting to display OpenStreetMap state, as it was on selected year. Of course, this should start only when OSM was launched, I'm not asking for someone to map all the world from old aerial photography.

You might be surprised that https://www.openhistoricalmap.org/ exists, the 'sister' project OpenStreetMap...

Re: Timemap.org – Interactive Map of History

#134
This is amazing to see! I've wanted a good, digital, historical atlas for more than 10 years. The ones I've seen have all had some kind of limitation that's made them less-than-ideal imo. This one seems to check most of my boxes in terms of features & UX, plus it looks really nice! Big kudos to everyone involved. I will definitely be using this a lot!

That said, seeing it IS a definitely bittersweet since I started my own version of this about a year ago (after giving up on something nice like this ever showing up). Being a hobby project it's far from being able to match the progress that this has made. Now I don't know if it's still worth to pursue, which is both sad but also nice since I can do other things and take pleasure in using this without having to worry about actually making it myself...

Some features that I had (or was planning to have) that I think would be very nice, for inspiration; in case you're interested:

- Allowing anyone to add and edit data. One of mny gripes with many of the existing digital atlases was that they were very bare bones in terms of how much content they had. I hoped for a "Wikipedia for historical maps" kind of place. Maybe not at all what you envision and maybe your setup is too complex to allow for it, but I wanted to mention it at least. But at least your feedback system was very nicely integrated and easy to use, so hopefully that'll be good enough (and spare you the pain of having to care about trolls and layman mistakes).

- Showing hierarchical Regions instead of just 1. For instance, being able to show the Holy Roman Empire above its various duchies/principalities etc, and those above their various counties etc. It feels overly simplistic to ONLY show topmost Region. And quite often there's not even any single Region that's undebatably the "topmost" either.

- Generic "Events" for things that aren't battles.

- Events or something similar to explain what's going on whenever a Region's border changes, a Region appears/disappears, a Region changes name etc. Basically connect the change you see on the map with a link to learn more about what caused that change. I think this is super valuable when it comes to going from "cool, that country grew a lot there" to "so what actually happened?".

- The search field seems to be connected to modern-day places rather than historical Regions. For instance, I expected being able to search for "Kalmar Union" to get to the place and time of the Kalmar Union. Or to search for "Alexander the Great" and go to his time and place. But kudos for supporting native spellings of place names, like "København" for Copenhagen.

- I see that some battles have a corresponding war underneath their names, which is really nice. I would love to be able to filter/find/highlight all battles from a given war. That way it would be a LOT easier to get a better grasp of the extent of a given war. I'd also like to see the war's duration and its belligerents.

Then some UX feedback and bugs I noticed:

- Showing the modern-day names of cities before they exist feels pretty weird. It can help for users to navigate and understand where they are, but I think it would be very nice to at least have an option to turn them off. Ideally also to have them show up only after they've actually been founded. A bonus would be to also show them with their historically accurate name.

- I notice that you see the name of the Region currently in the center of the screen, but I think it'd be more useful to show what's at the cursor's position. Especially when you have a bunch of small Regions. If you tied it to the cursor you could also highlight the currently selected Region.

- The red box for the current year looks reeeeally draggable to me. I would combine it with the slider.

- Having keyboard commands for going forward/backward with the time slider would be really nice, to complement when you're panning around with the mouse.

- I totally understand where you're going with showing BC years as "-X", but it looks pretty weird. Especially when it's outside the time slider, like underneath the names of people.

- Also, there's no "year 0"; it goes directly from 1 BC to AD 1.

- When there are multiple overlapping things (e.g. all the battles in Italy during the 80s BC) it feels a bit random which gets shown. It's also not clear that there are stuff that gets hidden until you zoom close enough.

- If I open a wiki page for a battle and then click a link in the article, I'm then unable to return to the original wiki page. Clicking on the battle again does nothing. I have to either close the wiki sidebar or click on another battle first.

- There's no way to close the Maps sidebar except by opening the wiki sidebar?

- Closing the top panel (the one with Regions, Rulers, People, Battles) causes the Maps sidebar to pop out. Feels weird; I was expecting the top panel to get minimzed similar to how the wiki and Maps sidebars are in their inactive states.

Sorry for the length of this post, but I just had a decade of thoughts to get off my chest; not to mention a year of spare time work on doing almost exactly what you have here. Whether you take any of my feedback or not, thank you so much for making this!

Re: Timemap.org – Interactive Map of History

#135

I could spend all day long on this site. History is so fascinating and there's infinite rabbit holes to go down, so being able to visualize everything on the same timeline is awesome. Also linking to an embedded Wikipedia is super smart!

I spent about 2 hours on this so far today. I have yet to dig in. This will be a major time investment.

Re: Timemap.org – Interactive Map of History

#136
post #11

Does it work in Firefox? Not here... Suggestion 1: you could show the name of bigger entities also in the corners of the screen - now you must scroll up to Italy to see that the green region is the Roman empire. Suggestion 2: I expected to be able to drag the timeline left and right. Dragging the cursor over the screen edge for the next time period makes you unwillingly jump a few hundred years.

Works fine in FF on Fedora.

Re: Timemap.org – Interactive Map of History

#137
Much of the story of the Russian empire, Germany's unification, WW1, WW2 and even today's war in Ukraine can be told by dragging this timeline from 1000 to modern day and focusing on Poland.

The east/west lines of Poland from 1029-1569 roughly correspond to today's east/west lines. But between now and then Poland shifts east then back west. Only after a ton of wars and death:

1. Poland basically expands massively to become Poland-Lithuania

2. Poland-Lithuania gets eaten by Germany (Prussia) to the west and Russia to the east.

3. Poland reappears, but entirely shifted east in the 1800s

4. Poland gets eaten by Russia again

5. Poland reappears after WW1

6. Poland gets eaten by Germany and Russia again in WW2

7. Poland shifts back west by Stalin and his mass population transfer program. Back almost to the original east-west borders of medieval Poland.

This is obviously a simplification of a 1000 years of history.

Re: Timemap.org – Interactive Map of History

#138
This is a very cool UI, and I love the inclusion of the Wikipedia links. The overaly of a modern map as you zoom in is interesting, and very helpful for orientation.

Makes me wonder how hard it would be to show things like historical coastlines in England and the Netherlands, or historical watercourses, but I guess that could be both hard to visualize, and you'd have to compile that data from a lot of different sources.

I have two nitpicks with this type of view of historical world maps (not this project specifically, it just employs a visual vernacular that I have opinions about):

1.Drawing a border around an area and shading it in doesn't mean the same thing in all times and places. It might be a state with a central government as we think of them now, or it might be a collection of states or proto-states that are conventionally grouped by common features of their cultures, or it might just be an area where the pottery is consistently similar.

2. More importantly I think the areas _outside_ the shading can be misleading, too: it makes the world look empty, even though most of the world (but not all! especially in the places settled by the Polynesians much later) definitely had people in it by the time this timeline starts.

Re: Timemap.org – Interactive Map of History

#140
post #59

Hi HN! I’m Klokan, one of the creators of TimeMap. It’s exciting to see this project here — thank you for the interest and support! We just launched TimeMap on Product Hunt: https://www.producthunt.com/posts/timemap If you find what we’re building valuable, an UPVOTE there would mean a lot. Stanford University recently hosted an event to introduce TimeMap to the world, which you can check out here: * Recording on You…

This is awesome! I've been thinking about making something like this, but felt like a huge undertaking. One of the major reasons I wanted it was to visualize how (ie under which treaty) were boundary lines moved or redrawn.
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