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Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised

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Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised

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post #4

This might explain the unusual rise of BTC vs. USD. The thief might have just traded those dollars to bitcoins which makes them harder to trace.

Another possible explanation for the increasing rate is that someone is offering 7% interest on BTC: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.0

If that offer is really enough to make the price rise, this might be exactly what this guy is speculating on.

Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised

#22
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lost count of how many times they have been breached. Why don't they get independent pen testers and get them to test their system? Surely paying a pen tester $5k is much better than the amount of negative publicity you get when you lose $350K

Three times apparently (from the forum): Feb ~ 200k USD May ~ 91k USD Today ~ 300k USD

Someone is going to buy a lot of drugs.

Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised

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post #7

Hate to say this but if this sort of sloppiness continues, the bitcoin brand will be trampled so badly it will never get off the ground.

I doubt people are stupid enough to conflate Bitcoin with 3rd party websites that use bitcoins. Maybe a few will, but the success or failure of Bitcoin does not ride on a what a few dumb people do.

And Bitcoin does not have a "brand." You could say, and probably meant, "reputation."

Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised

#24
post #19

I would've thought that no one would keep using Bitconica after their first major breach but here I am, shocked by the fact that people still kept trusting them with their Bitcoins

Nobody is using bitcoinica. Everyone is seeking refunds. Edit: Bitcoinica is still in the process of refunding everyone from the last breach when this happens.

That's worth pointing out.

The site has been offline for months, lots of people are simply caught waiting for a refund.

So basically there's nothing they can do now, if Bitcoinica's operation gets hacked again (their MtGox account this time).

Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised

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This is starting to prove -- the hard way -- why regulations, certifications, and all that other stuff that feels like meaningless overhead the majority of the time has become a grudgingly accepted part of our lives.

It comes back to the most difficult problem: you inevitably need to trust someone, so how do you minimize your risk in that trust? I always thought the Bitcoin trust issues would revolve around the inability to trust that a service would be delivered once the provider is paid -- something that could theoretically be worked out with their reputation over the long run in a free market.

But it's unsettling to see that breaches like this don't evidently leave the impression with the Bitcoin community that a believer in the free market might hope they would, that providers in this market might not be driven to produce quality and reliability because somehow there isn't the demand for it.

Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised

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post #11
post #7

Hate to say this but if this sort of sloppiness continues, the bitcoin brand will be trampled so badly it will never get off the ground.

Too late, I'm afraid. Who, today, uses Bitcoin, except for criminals and speculants?

That's a fallacious argument. The reason it's mainly used by criminals and speculators is because it's brand new, as far as currencies go. If Bitcoin had been used by lots of people already who then abandoned it, you might be able to make the argument you're trying to make.

And one thing I've noticed it increasingly being used for is basic (small-scale) financial services - for example, loans.

Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised

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I know nothing about bitcoin, can someone provide a tldr about why it is (seemingly) so difficult to build a secure site around exchanging these things?

I don't get how you can simply "Loose" a few hundred grand without a horse head winding up at the food of your bed.

Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised

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post #25

This is starting to prove -- the hard way -- why regulations, certifications, and all that other stuff that feels like meaningless overhead the majority of the time has become a grudgingly accepted part of our lives. It comes back to the most difficult problem: you inevitably need to trust someone, so how do you minimize your risk in that trust? I always thought the Bitcoin trust issues would revolve around the inabi…

As the big banks in the USA have proven, government regulation is definitively not the answer to the question "How can you know whom to trust?"

Seriously. Knock that shit off. It's a red herring.

You can't abstract away the personal process of choosing trust anchors and metrics, no matter how hard you try.

Changing your trust anchor to "the government" just means you end up getting fucked on a larger scale, over a larger timeline.

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