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Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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Post by the_clarence »

seanhunter wrote: post #31

That was a absolutely horrible finish to a really exciting championship if you ask me. For anyone who doesn't know, there was a lot of drama because Gukesh was playing amazingly coming into this (eg winning the gold medal on board 1 at the olympiad in crushing style) and Ding had been playing terribly. Then there were 13 games of back and forth with stalwart defending and imaginative computer preparation by both side…

> imaginative computer preparation

Are people training AIs to play in the style of the people they're going to play against so they can practice?

Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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Post by epolanski »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #58
ourmandave wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With 12-year-old GMs running around it's hard to know how long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_prodigy

There's a decent gap between GM and world champion to be honest.

Absolutely, a huge one.

But still, chess is a game that favours young people that have more energy and can calculate more, and that peak is achieved in one's late teens.

Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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Post by epolanski »

trey-jones wrote: post #11
laydn wrote: post #7

Terrible time management from Ding Liren in the most critical game of the match, leading to a very simple blunder. Painful to witness.

Apparently poor time management throughout the match, though I didn't see every game. It sounds like he was lucky to survive 6-6.

He wasn't, Ding has played some terrific chess during this tournament.

But honestly both players lack an end game killer instinct.

Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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Post by devsda »

FactolSarin wrote: post #40
alephnerd wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What is the deal with Gukesh's last name In Tamil Nadu, an initial is often used in the surname due to the Periyar/Dravidian movement in the 20th century. Furthermore, plenty of people in Tamil Nadu historically didn't even use surnames. Gukesh is Telugu, but his family are Chennai natives. Chennai becoming part of TN instead of Telugu-speaking Andhra Pradesh was very politically charged in the early days of India.

Ah, so it's an anti-caste thing?

Not everything in India is/have to be about an individual's caste at all.

The most plausible and likely explanation is that it is just shortened initials of surname for convenience.

Typically indian teachers have a habit of turning surname to initials to deal with multiple students having same names. Those names tend to be sticky and students just refer themselves with initials in such contexts.

I'd be very much surprised if his official government IDs have initials and not surname.

Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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Post by [deleted] »

boringg wrote: post #69
gnaman wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for anyone wondering hes 18

Seems like its not that big of an accomplishment relative to the way the headline makes it (obviously a big personal accomplishment). I figure 18 year old chess should have the mental abilities and maybe experience at that point to be able to rise to the top...

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Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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Post by wongarsu »

gnaman wrote: post #16
hbn wrote: post #5

For being the headline, they sure hid his age pretty well. Not at the opening paragraph nor end of the article, nor photo captions near the top or bottom. cmd+f "years" 0 results cmd+f "age" 0 results And scanning for numbers is useless since most of the article is chess moves written out.

for anyone wondering hes 18

For context, legendary Magnus Carlsen was 23 when he first became world champion. Ding Liren, the other finalist and previous winner, is 32. The title holder before Magnus was Anand who first won the title at age 31 (or arguably 38, depending on your stance about the PCA). Kramnik before him was 31. Legendary Garry Kasparov was 22.

It's normal for the champion to get his first win in his early 30s. Getting it in your early 20s is how you become famous beyond the chess world. Doing it with 18 is seriously impressive.

Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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Post by amrrs »

It was quite sad to see Ding lose at the end. But it's been a very tough year and half or so. Precisely since he won the championship.

I was quite sad at the way some very top players spoke of him.

But the way he came back and almost took the game to tie breaks was unbelievable as a Ding fan.

At the end of the day, it's generational shift that chess is witnessing.

Almost written in destiny that it all started with candidates about how Alireza played against Gukesh and where it is now!

Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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Post by Fade_Dance »

the_clarence wrote: post #91
seanhunter wrote: post #31

That was a absolutely horrible finish to a really exciting championship if you ask me. For anyone who doesn't know, there was a lot of drama because Gukesh was playing amazingly coming into this (eg winning the gold medal on board 1 at the olympiad in crushing style) and Ding had been playing terribly. Then there were 13 games of back and forth with stalwart defending and imaginative computer preparation by both side…

> imaginative computer preparation Are people training AIs to play in the style of the people they're going to play against so they can practice?

No, they use chess engines to find interesting lines of play that the opponent presumably is not prepared for. Say, an odd move that looks weak, but a few moves later is back at even, and the player that pushed down this line is now prepared to play on from there (with perhaps further traps laid ahead), while the opponent is somewhat in the dark and has to analyze the situation correctly.

Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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Post by TeeMassive »

seanhunter wrote: post #31

That was a absolutely horrible finish to a really exciting championship if you ask me. For anyone who doesn't know, there was a lot of drama because Gukesh was playing amazingly coming into this (eg winning the gold medal on board 1 at the olympiad in crushing style) and Ding had been playing terribly. Then there were 13 games of back and forth with stalwart defending and imaginative computer preparation by both side…

That's the most exciting and well written description of a chess game I've ever read!
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