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Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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For being the headline, they sure hid his age pretty well. Not at the opening paragraph nor end of the article, nor photo captions near the top or bottom. cmd+f "years" 0 results cmd+f "age" 0 results And scanning for numbers is useless since most of the article is chess moves written out.

came to the comments to try and find the answer, still don't see it lol

someone answered it 1 hr ago: 18.

Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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That was a absolutely horrible finish to a really exciting championship if you ask me. For anyone who doesn't know, there was a lot of drama because Gukesh was playing amazingly coming into this (eg winning the gold medal on board 1 at the olympiad in crushing style) and Ding had been playing terribly. Then there were 13 games of back and forth with stalwart defending and imaginative computer preparation by both side…

It felt much more like forced error than unforced error or, thematically, the closest thing I’ve seen to a milling strategy in chess. Just make them keep drawing until they’re out of ideas.

Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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>>Chess is incredibly difficult. Its not exactly difficult. Or more precise, It can appear difficult as people don't show how the work is done. You see this even among the Math people as well. It appears as pure magic. But in reality its mostly understanding what the axioms and rules are. Then starting at some point, and making the most smallest atomic change possible to a thing and seeing it its consistent with the…

> Its not exactly difficult. Or more precise, It can appear difficult as people don't show how the work is done. What is difficulty other than priori repetition of a sequence? Anything difficult can be trivialised to this requirement.

Exactly. I also believe a lot of these magic like fields in the current era sound so 'meh' largely because the mechanical processes behind achieving results is revealed.

>>What is difficulty other than priori repetition of a sequence?

Its not easy, but its not where it was either.

Only a decade or two back these things were restricted to nerds and was somewhat like rare occult knowledge. You had to be part of some club to even participate.

While you still need to practice a lot to work in the upper level in competitions and all. It no longer has a magic like appeal.

Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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What is the deal with Gukesh's last name? It's officially listed as just D on his FIDE profile. I asked a couple Indian coworkers who said it was probably just being abbreviated for being long, but honestly it's not that long of a name and Gukesh isn't from the same region as them. I've read elsewhere that Telugu speaking people don't really use last names.

Yes. I am Telugu and family name is usually not written or called out. So he would usually write D. Gukesh or Gukesh D. Most people also have a sort of middle name for example D. Gukesh Kumar. Middle name is spelled and used for calling together with main name.

Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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for anyone wondering hes 18

Seems like its not that big of an accomplishment relative to the way the headline makes it (obviously a big personal accomplishment). I figure 18 year old chess should have the mental abilities and maybe experience at that point to be able to rise to the top...

HAHAHA Only an HN comment could call the youngest person ever to do something would be said to "not that big of an accomplishment". How would you change that headline?

Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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Historically yes. But in 2024 it's just a naming convention now. Being Telugu in Tamil Nadu, they probably adopted Tamil naming conventions to make life easier. States in India are basically different countries, and the existing state borders for most states don't make sense.

Reminds me of falsehoods programmers believe about… https://github.com/kdeldycke/awesome-falsehood

This is good.

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Outside of the opening, Chess players tend to call them combinations, and it's not really memorisation as such, it's pattern recognition, and it's a very difficult skill to master. Outside of the opening, it's not rote memorisation, it's a mix of pattern recognition and calculation. You have to spot familiar patterns, but from a "distance", and calculate whether the differences in your specific instance are crucial o…

>>Chess is incredibly difficult. Its not exactly difficult. Or more precise, It can appear difficult as people don't show how the work is done. You see this even among the Math people as well. It appears as pure magic. But in reality its mostly understanding what the axioms and rules are. Then starting at some point, and making the most smallest atomic change possible to a thing and seeing it its consistent with the…

I had to quit because I found it extremely frustrating. I could hardly ever win. And when I did it was from massive blunders, not from anything I did. I never had an issue with losing in other games, I'm not a competitive type that has to win. But chess made me feel like I had the illusion that I could win but in fact it was almost never possible. I also hate the characteristic that if you make one mistake you lose. You can never recover, whereas in tennis or basketball or something you can be ahead and behind and still have a chance. Chess is like that board game Operation, you make one bad move and it nullifies everything you did before that moment.

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I was struck by Ding's thoughtfulness, objectivity and humility when asked how he felt after the match (while clearly utterly dejected): > How do you feel? > I think I played my best tournament of the year. I think it was a fair tournament in the end. I have no regrets. > Any message for fans? > Thank you, I will continue to play, I hope I can show strength like this time. Gukesh was equally as objective, humble, and…

Absolutely. Nepo and Magnus seem to be cut from a different cloth, although Magnus has never had a moment where he could demonstrate whether or not he can be humble, because he has always just crushed. Anish Giri kind of took a shot at Magnus (with respect to his retiring from classical chess) in his early commentary with Petr Leko a few days ago. People are funny, and one doesn't usually get to be where Ding and Guk…

Magnus doesn't usually direct his frustration at others (except in the infamous Hans Niemann game) but he has been known to storm out of interviews after some of his bad losses.

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post #23

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Outside of the opening, Chess players tend to call them combinations, and it's not really memorisation as such, it's pattern recognition, and it's a very difficult skill to master. Outside of the opening, it's not rote memorisation, it's a mix of pattern recognition and calculation. You have to spot familiar patterns, but from a "distance", and calculate whether the differences in your specific instance are crucial o…

Yea played myself for a while but didn't want to remember 300 openings for both colors. Chess is only fun if both people are equally bad at it.

I never understood this complaint outside of pure snark.

Over the years I've noticed many games have pretty bad tendencies, simply because they've floated to the top through what essentially amounts to luck (also modern games have "balance changes" that often push novelty + profit over actual fun). However, most bestselling games always have that one core part that's pure beauty, and that's what people keep coming back to.

If you don't like opening theory, that's fine. There's plenty about chess to be enjoyed outside of memorizing theory.

I play chess tactics or alt gamemodes exclusively because of this. Not planning to be a chess professional. But the creativity is vast in this space.

If we want to make better games, first start by breaking down the core parts that are good and the core parts that are bad, then iterating on it, just like how many disciplines (both scientific and artistic) operate.

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