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Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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That was a absolutely horrible finish to a really exciting championship if you ask me.

For anyone who doesn't know, there was a lot of drama because Gukesh was playing amazingly coming into this (eg winning the gold medal on board 1 at the olympiad in crushing style) and Ding had been playing terribly. Then there were 13 games of back and forth with stalwart defending and imaginative computer preparation by both sides, playing a lot of fresh chess and both of them going for the most critical and challenging moves in each position. Ding was playing a lot better than a lot of people had expected and the previous game had been one of the best games in a world championship for a long time. Everything was tied going into the last game of the classical portion and the "bar room consensus" was that since Gukesh was so young and doesn't focus at all on the faster forms of chess (rapid and blitz) and is therefore much lower rated than Ding in those formats, that if this game was a draw then Ding would be a substantial favourite in the ensuing tiebreaks.

The final game was a complex struggle, with Ding keeping everything in lockdown with the white pieces so as not to give Gukesh a ghost of a chance. Most of the pieces had been traded and it was the most drawish of drawn endgames. Gukesh was up a pawn, but they both had a rook and bishop and all Ding had to do was hang on to his pieces and keep them well away from the enemy king. On the stream I was watching IM David Pruess had just been asked by someone in chat whether Gukesh could win and he said "1% chance".

Then all of a sudden Ding made 3 bad moves in a row. The first two were just poor endgame technique, putting his rook and bishop both on bad squares too close to the enemy king, then the real blunder. Completely inexplicably he traded off the pieces. Now he was in an endgame that was just dead lost. After 14 games of 4+ hours each It had gone from being a dead draw with him a big favourite in tie breaks to all over in a few seconds.

Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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Wow. What a match. Been watching with my son, a chess lover since we started watching the Magnus-Fabi match. Now, my son loves his chess club and has retired me from playing :-)

Two thoughts:

1) Gukesh took Ding into the deep water the entire time. Few people realize how draining chess is, especially at that level for this time control. It's beyond gruelling. Only programming is more difficult ;-)

2) Gukesh had an extraordinary advantage. His mental health and resilience over the course of the match were a testament to it. And, then, his graciousness, thankfulness, and humble joy demonstrated the Way. It was That which Gukesh first thanked in his post-match interview with GM Mo. It was how he first began each game.

And That was the difference. That said, being 18 didn't hurt either :-)

Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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For being the headline, they sure hid his age pretty well. Not at the opening paragraph nor end of the article, nor photo captions near the top or bottom. cmd+f "years" 0 results cmd+f "age" 0 results And scanning for numbers is useless since most of the article is chess moves written out.

for anyone wondering hes 18

thank you!

Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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That was a absolutely horrible finish to a really exciting championship if you ask me. For anyone who doesn't know, there was a lot of drama because Gukesh was playing amazingly coming into this (eg winning the gold medal on board 1 at the olympiad in crushing style) and Ding had been playing terribly. Then there were 13 games of back and forth with stalwart defending and imaginative computer preparation by both side…

Gukesh took him into the deep water the entire time, putting every possible strain on Ding's energy and reserves. It was the unrelenting pressure of an 18yo badass that cracked Ding, whom I truly feel sorry for. He is a great player and a very, very nice human being.

What is crazy is that Gukesh has only been playing chess for a little more than 11 years.

ETA: And Ding fought like a lion!

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> Ah yes, chess, the game where people love to remember sequences. You can remember openings. From the middle game, you have to "play".

I once randomly typed 'How to think like a chess grandmaster' or something to that effect in YouTube. And it was interesting how the whole they went about playing.

There are patterns. Like how to start(openings), endgames. Like patterns of movements well defined. You just have to read enough books, and play enough games to have them hard burned into your memory. They are not really thinking the way an ordinary person imagines. By and large a chess GM is database of chess games. And most of your moves are these.

Second part is having a strong internal monologue, which is basically a way of saying to oneself(silently)-

1. What happens if I make this move? Where is my game headed? Where is the opponent's game headed?

2. Does my move fit in to the patterns I already know?

3. Are my pieces in trouble? How do I save them? Or should I?

4. If I make these series of moves I can make check mate the opponent in k moves.

5. Which move do I make to take this opponent's piece?

6. Are there an obvious traps I can spot?

etc etc.

Like a never ending monologue/internal chatter. What if I do this, or What if I do that? What are knowns, unknowns? Same questions now from the opponents perspective. Like you need to develop these skills. And the ability to work this fast.

There are already broad moves that are supposed to be made. Like you move the horses as early as you can. You don't get stuck in piece traffic jams. The rook is supposed to be a endgame piece. White gives you an edge, as you can move that horse first, castling etc etc.

Mostly its reading a lot, and talking to oneself while playing a lot.

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#36

It was painful watching Ding Liren blunder the rook and realize what he had done.

Amazing to watch Gukesh as well as he realised the opportunity. At first confusion and disbelief, then excitement, joy and nervousness as he tried to calm himself down and take the win.

And the graciousness to keep his joy in humble reserve, knowing how much Ding would be crushed. Truly a young man of God.

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Well, Ding's prediction was right, it wasn't a short draw. Horrible end to a another pretty disappointing cycle. Ding's game 12 win to tie the match was a positional masterpiece but it ultimately seems fitting that his blunder decided the result. Hope he gets a long break from classical chess and finds his way back to enjoying the game.

Ding has nothing to be ashamed of. He fought like a true warrior. He was a great champion, with class and brilliance. I just don't think he was physically as strong as he could be, and that affects one's ability to think as they must at that level.

All said, tho, it was definitely Gukesh's time, and being 18 has some serious benefits in terms of recovery and stamina.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outside of the opening, Chess players tend to call them combinations, and it's not really memorisation as such, it's pattern recognition, and it's a very difficult skill to master. Outside of the opening, it's not rote memorisation, it's a mix of pattern recognition and calculation. You have to spot familiar patterns, but from a "distance", and calculate whether the differences in your specific instance are crucial o…

Yea played myself for a while but didn't want to remember 300 openings for both colors. Chess is only fun if both people are equally bad at it.

You should probably pick one or two openings and focus on those rather than trying to learn every opening right from the beginning. Like almost every game, chess is more fun when the two players are equally matches. Playing online (chess.com or lichess.org) lets you play an opponent who is perfectly matched to your level.

Re: Gukesh becomes the youngest chess world champion in history

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I was struck by Ding's thoughtfulness, objectivity and humility when asked how he felt after the match (while clearly utterly dejected):

> How do you feel?

> I think I played my best tournament of the year. I think it was a fair tournament in the end. I have no regrets.

> Any message for fans?

> Thank you, I will continue to play, I hope I can show strength like this time.

Gukesh was equally as objective, humble, and gentlemanly in victory.

These attributes are what makes chess and its superstars so appealing.

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What is the deal with Gukesh's last name? It's officially listed as just D on his FIDE profile. I asked a couple Indian coworkers who said it was probably just being abbreviated for being long, but honestly it's not that long of a name and Gukesh isn't from the same region as them. I've read elsewhere that Telugu speaking people don't really use last names.

> What is the deal with Gukesh's last name In Tamil Nadu, an initial is often used in the surname due to the Periyar/Dravidian movement in the 20th century. Furthermore, plenty of people in Tamil Nadu historically didn't even use surnames. Gukesh is Telugu, but his family are Chennai natives. Chennai becoming part of TN instead of Telugu-speaking Andhra Pradesh was very politically charged in the early days of India.

Ah, so it's an anti-caste thing?
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