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Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by LaMarseillaise »

dang wrote: post #887
uv-depression wrote: post #778

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're surprised? In any vaguely political thread HN is pretty much just a more well-spoken 4chan. Moderation here is entirely based on tone, not content, which along with its techno-libertarian origins makes it the perfect breeding ground for fascists and pseudo-intellectualism.

This is a common claim, but it only ever seems to be made by people with a strong ideological commitment who are mad that the opposing commitment isn't banned on the site. In other words, the complaint is that we don't moderate HN based on ideology. Since to do that would contradict HN's reason for existing ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... ), I'm not inclined to start. The irony is th…

The top comment on this very thread at the time I write this is clear bad-faith disinformation. Life is a Cabaret, but the Cabaret is not life. The tone here has changed for the worse, especially since the election, and I cannot keep pretending.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by dang »

LaMarseillaise wrote: post #891
dang wrote: post #887

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a common claim, but it only ever seems to be made by people with a strong ideological commitment who are mad that the opposing commitment isn't banned on the site. In other words, the complaint is that we don't moderate HN based on ideology. Since to do that would contradict HN's reason for existing ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... ), I'm not inclined to start. The irony is th…

The top comment on this very thread at the time I write this is clear bad-faith disinformation. Life is a Cabaret, but the Cabaret is not life. The tone here has changed for the worse, especially since the election, and I cannot keep pretending.

Do you mean https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42385079? I have zero idea what the technicalities of the bankruptcy judgment are or should be, but what I do know after an embarrassing number of years doing this job is:

(1) there's no such thing as "clear bad-faith" - to decide that would require knowing someone else's inner state. We don't have access to that about each other, and people are far too quick to draw conclusions about it—thousands of times too quick;

(2) usually the person who seems to be in bad faith just has a different working set of information and a very different background than you; they may be wrong of course, but that's not a crime or sin. We're all wrong anyhow.

(3) the only response to "disinformation" that works (or has a hope of working) is to answer false claims with true ones and bad arguments with better arguments.

I can also tell you that HN hasn't much changed since the election. Or if it has, I haven't noticed, or seen data suggesting it. People have often felt over the years like HN has changed since $X, but at most there are fluctuations that revert to the mean. Whatever real trends there are, they're longer-term than that, and determined by fundamentals.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by Nathanba »

jjeaff wrote: post #579
Nathanba wrote: post #475

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I watched some of his videos at the time and to me it seemed mostly like the exact same content that he always does. Very much not brazen claims of facts, just musing and speculating that it's all fake and the parents are smiling so they might be actors. That's it. And the entire time he was emphasizing that he doesn't know for sure and it's all theory.

he specifically called out parents by name, constantly made claims that they were obviously crisis actors, showed pictures of the parents, and did nothing when his listeners started harassing the parents daily.

You probably mean parents who went on live television to give interviews? Well obviously he can show "pictures" of people who were on TV with their name.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by lbwtaylor »

ljsprague wrote: post #841
_zgx0 wrote: post #506

The amount of folks here supporting Alex Jones is completely shocking to me. He built a business out of attacking and re-victimizing parents whose children were murdered. He's scum of the earth. That business was taken away from him, and folks think that's too much? What the actual fuck.

>he built a business out of attacking and re-victimizing parents whose children were murdered That not what he built his business on. That was one (bad) thing he did.

That is exactly what he built his business on - attacking people with bald face lies and using the generated outrage to sell snake oil.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by jari_mustonen »

hbn wrote: post #188

Jones seems like a nut, but the way he's being taken to the cleaners and sued for comical amounts of money are just absurd. I'm not being hyperbolic saying people would be less mad at him if he had done the shooting himself. And it's especially rich in a time where the most popular podcast genre is women commenting on brutal murder cases as they're fresh and being investigated, and throwing out their pet theories abo…

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Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by someothherguyy »

dang wrote: post #892
LaMarseillaise wrote: post #891

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The top comment on this very thread at the time I write this is clear bad-faith disinformation. Life is a Cabaret, but the Cabaret is not life. The tone here has changed for the worse, especially since the election, and I cannot keep pretending.

Do you mean https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42385079 ? I have zero idea what the technicalities of the bankruptcy judgment are or should be, but what I do know after an embarrassing number of years doing this job is: (1) there's no such thing as "clear bad-faith" - to decide that would require knowing someone else's inner state. We don't have access to that about each other, and people are far too quick to draw…

> people have often felt over the years like HN has changed since $X, but at most there are fluctuations that revert to the mean. Whatever the real trends there are, they're longer-term than that, and determined by fundamentals.

I think it is generally agreed upon that the volume of shared misinformation and individuals believing misinformation has been dramatically increasing over the last decade as preferences in media has shifted.

It would be interesting if the population of HN wasn't following this trend.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by throwaway10210 »

dang wrote: post #887
uv-depression wrote: post #778

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're surprised? In any vaguely political thread HN is pretty much just a more well-spoken 4chan. Moderation here is entirely based on tone, not content, which along with its techno-libertarian origins makes it the perfect breeding ground for fascists and pseudo-intellectualism.

This is a common claim, but it only ever seems to be made by people with a strong ideological commitment who are mad that the opposing commitment isn't banned on the site. In other words, the complaint is that we don't moderate HN based on ideology. Since to do that would contradict HN's reason for existing ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... ), I'm not inclined to start. The irony is th…

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Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by wakawaka28 »

freejazz wrote: post #703
wakawaka28 wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say cash loosely speaking. You at least cannot pledge income from debt that is presently being negotiated down or cancelled. That kind of thing isn't "value" because it's imaginary.

> I say cash loosely speaking Is this a legal term or something? Not to be rude, but who cares what you mean by it? It's totally besides the point

If you're talking to me or reading my comment then you should care what I mean. Otherwise you're wasting your time.

Obviously "loosely speaking" is not a legal term but I'm sure there is one that means the same. I mean you need real money to buy things, not bad paper. Bankruptcy does not exist to deliver good feels to people, it exists to settle financial matters as objectively as possible.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by wakawaka28 »

mportela wrote: post #479
wakawaka28 wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not. He will not be paying that. He might have paid a smaller yet still large amount, but he's certainly not going to work in McDonalds to pay off $1 billion dollars. He has the same legal rights as anyone else to not be a debt slave.

It's called garnishment [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garnishment

Garnishment is taking a portion of income, not taking the actual source of it. No business means no income, no income means no garnishment. I love how you cite Wikipedia as if grown adults here have never heard of garnishment. Then again education really is going downhill these days I guess.
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