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Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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6 and 7. If you squint and lean on a bit of confirmation bias, photo 9 looks like a commercial airliner with the Alaska Airlines livery.

Ah. Knowing what AA tails look like makes it look likely that the blurry triangle has blue and red in the right places. Without context, it does appear to be a quadcopter-ish shape, but since the caption says the object was at high altitude, it fits a regular airplane well. People live on site watching the object move should certainly know better. (Perhaps they do know, and are intentionally trolling.)

> People live on site watching the object move should

Be careful here. Human eye witnesses are not reliable, especially at night like this. It is very hard to determine size of shapes at night in the dark. It is hard to determine distance which makes something small look like it might be bigger but further away.

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Why are they not being shot down at the very least?

Why? Just follow them and see where they land / head to (they can't fly forever) and ask some questions to the owners.

supposedly they originate and return to somewhere out in ocean. presumably boats or submarines.

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The Guardian is publication reporting the information. If you click the link at the top, open the website, and read the article, you will see who is quoted as making the claims.

The quotes seem to indicate that they don't care about drones. The context surrounding the quotes is all The Guardian's.

He emphasized there was “no known threat to the public at this time”.

Etc...

Then quotes of one word end quote two words not quoted, then a few more quoted words. Or a sentence that's clearly drawn without context.

Typical modern reporting. The people being quoted don't have the time to care if they were lied about.

So, yes, if you click the link, you'll see who is quoted making the claims, but there is no reason to think that they actually made those claims. Only that those people don't care enough to stop their workday and refute every piece of media trash with their name in it that probably didn't even make it to their desk.

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The photos I've seen posted look very obviously like commercial airliners and helicopters with their navigation lights on. You can even make out the American Airlines livery on the tail! https://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/2024/12/11/d...

I have had a bet going with two of my friends on this exact point for almost a week now, and the fact that it is _still_ not been resolved by any agency is insane.

I also have a couple friends who work at Picatinny as well, and have heard that their civilian security have spotted some (which is strange since their airspace is always restricted), but there haven't been any internal memos regarding them.

Some things I've observed/heard/thought during arguments and searching for evidence in either direction:

1. People need video evidence and assume it's easy to get because everyone carries a video camera with them.

2. Most people have never tried to capture a fast-moving object with lights in the night's sky with a cellphone.

3. People assume everyone else is a complete fucking idiot, including police, the media, politicians, and most every authority on the subject. This is also in both directions, but with my friends they seem to assume that people have coincidentally forgotten what a plane looks/sounds like in the nights sky and decided to report them as "not planes" to the authorities.

4. The skeptical position on this is firmly in the minority across all social media I've seen.

5. Lots of videos are completely indistinguishable from planes, and any that seem "weird" can be easily explained by tricks of perspective.

6. If there ARE drones being operated in a way where they would prefer not be recognized, then it doesn't seem crazy they would put lights on and move in ways that would disguise them as planes.

7. Flight trackers are not reliable because not all planes that fly need to have flight plans and transponders.

I have taken the position that _something_ weird is happening, and that not all of the reports can be explained by commercial/private planes, but I don't mind being wrong so long as a definitive answer is going to present itself.

Anyways, glad to see the discussion has made it to HN so I can crowdsource some more arguments, would love it if you all could help resolve this wager.

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Seems like an opportunity for a training exercise. Have the FAA put a TFR in place and let the national guard interdict, ECW and such. Take control, land it in the x-ray scanner, check for explosives then take it apart and get telemetry data. The US taught Ukraine how to do this with great success. If no joy on ECW, disassemble them in the sky. If the drones were legit they would be broadcasting their ID as would the…

Some action is already being taken; supposedly the GREMLIN program is being rolled out in areas where sightings are most common: https://taskandpurpose.com/news/military-ufo-gremlin/ > If no joy on ECW, disassemble them in the sky. I disagree, for the same reason the US doesn't send an SM-6 up to greet every plane without an IFF turned on. It's an expensive exercise in endangering human lives, not a valiant defense o…

F-16 seems like overkill for a drone. Send up the Apaches.

Let's not forget it took how many sidewinders to take down the Chinese balloon? More than 1 makes someone look foolish.

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There is more evidence here than just pictures from this one article. The pentagon, for example, just declared that they do not know what they are[1]. Among many other credible sources. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1hc1l58/pentagon_no_e...

> The pentagon, for example, just declared that they do not know what they are That is absolutely not what was said in that video. They just said that they're not drones from a foreign entity or adversary, nor are they US military drones.

Could they be defense contractor drones being tested?

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The photos I've seen posted look very obviously like commercial airliners and helicopters with their navigation lights on. You can even make out the American Airlines livery on the tail! https://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/2024/12/11/d...

I live in NJ. I've seen these drones. They are not commercial airliners or helicopters. They are loud, fly low and slow, and make abrupt turns unlike any planes I've seen. Their lights are also very different from other aircraft. I can see how it's tempting to chalk this up to hysteria, but they are absolutely large drones of some kind.

"large drones"

How large is "large"?

Some of the articles are claiming "SUV sized" drones, but their photos are either of commercial aircraft, or of something that looks to be a DJI Phantom 4, or something much like it.

Have you managed to capture any videos of images of these large, low flying, slow moving drones?

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People are claiming that these show "mimics," some type of drone designed to look like commercial aircraft.

At that point, how do we know they aren't commercial aircraft mimicking drones mimicking commercial aircraft?

did yall see the drone outside my house it came down and it said hello and then it touched me

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> My personal feeling is if it was enemy drones, our military would have already taken them down I think you overestimate a few things here… the military isn’t constantly monitoring all airspace across the country for drone-sized objects and shooting things down if they don’t recognize them. Perhaps they should be as we enter this brave new world of drone-everything, but they don’t right now.

NJ has some of the leading research centers for the US military, our new president's second estate, and critical infrastructure for telecommunications. Reportedly drones were flying close to all of these spots. I would fully expect our military to be monitoring these parts of the country for drone-sized objects given how effective they have been in waging our wars the past 20 years. So yeah, it's a massive intelligen…

20 years lol Off by a factor of 2.5x, but your expectation is reasonable --so is having a Defense Secretary that tells his staff when he's checking into the hospital for a serious medical condition and an airspace that doesn't allow balloons to get within range of broadcasting firmware updates to ESP32s.

https://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/2024/12/11/d...

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