Am I missing something or does this NYT article not actually say what the judge based his decision on? That would be an important piece of information to have when deciding whether the decision was good or not.
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Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
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Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
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America was founded with a constitution that guarantee's citizens a megaphone as part of a list of inalienable rights (God given per words in the constitution). Bankrupting Jones won't remove his ability speak or muzzle him and it's more than likely only going to give him more of an audience. He'll still be able to voice his performance art about growing babies-in-cows-for-25-years and gay-frogs. He'll more than like…
Chemicals in the water turning the frogs gay is an actual thing though. E.g. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3280221/ https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1501065112 https://news.berkeley.edu/2010/03/01/frogs/ However https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/frogs-rev... but, > The findings in no way exonerate pollutants like the widely used herbicide atrazine, scientists caution.
OK. Going on an alex jones rant here...
I was always under the impression that the performance art he did with the frogs was in reference to Chlorpyrifos. And I am in concert with Alex Jones here. I agree with him. This crap is not good, is banned throughout the world, and is a mammalian neurotoxin.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1203396109
https://www.salon.com/2020/12/08/chlorpyrifos-neurotoxic-pes...
But you and I both know he crosses the line (and enjoys doing so) from authentic to clown. He'll bedazzle a libertarian and country boy with quirky strange perspectives that have a kernel of truth and then drag them down into the dark ass netherworld he's living his life in. He spins people up and inflames their amygdala's and connects the dots to some dark metaphysical Ba'al. But then he still comes back around and sells you some seeds and some product to stock your nuclear fall out shelter. He's one part performance artist one part grifter. But he crossed a third rail when he tried pulling the parents of a school shooting into his bi-polarish world. Bottom line with a guy like Alex Jones is that he's always going to connect the natural failure-state of a system (FDA regulatory capture) to some fever dream Ba'al conspiracy vs acknowledging that humans and their systems are flawed and that the natural state of a government is one in which it is picking winners and losers (cronyism) and it's been that way in his country since Washington's soldiers and officers mutinied over pensions. https://www.mountvernon.org/education/primary-source-collect.... That didn't need the illuminati becuase, like the FDA, it's the natural mode of humanity and a system to fail.
Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
#753Earlier quoted context omitted.
They go to the creditors including his primary sponsor. This is not a bad outcome it's the only correct legal outcome. What you are saying is we should allow a creditor (of many) to sell an asset to whoever they choose at a lower market rate because it's the right political move in this one case. Why wouldn't those rules be applied in other cases.. you can sell any asset for a dollar to yourself and the bankrupt pers…
This isn’t about politics, it’s about justice. The only reason politics is even in the equation is because Jones has made his living as a political blatherskite.
Law is almost inherently poliical. Politics was in the equation the moment Jones decided to pretend a tragic school shooting was fake news.
Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
#754Am I missing something or does this NYT article not actually say what the judge based his decision on? That would be an important piece of information to have when deciding whether the decision was good or not.
You're not missing anything. Most US legal reporting complete shit, opting to write about the implications rather than do any legal analysis.
Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
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Isn't it a little strange, though, that the system notionally decided that the families are owed an enormous amount of economic power as compensation for the nasty behavior of Alex Jones' media company, but at the same time it's obliging them not to use that economic power to prevent the sale of the media company to a "new owner" still affiliated with an unrepentant Alex Jones, who will undoubtedly continue the nasty…
They have a debt judgement not economic power. They can sell that debit judgement to a company who collects. They can take the money from the result of the court process and try to buy infowars after this is all over. They don't have a judgement of ownership in infowars they have a debt and the court is forcing Alex to sell all assets to cover the debt. Then the rest is written off and he gets a black mark on his cre…
>It's not like his audience will suddenly not follow him to a new show with a new name.
you'd be surprised how many fall off from a migration. It's no different network effect from anything else. The hardcore will follow, the passive will fall off. Even a cult following like this isn't immune to this (simply more resilient).
Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
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This is like getting accused of murder, and the judge finding you guilty because you didn't produce knife during discovery, the prosecution said you had. Just absurd. Then skipping ahead to the sentencing, and the judge telling your lawyers that if you testify you're not guilty to the jury, he'll find you and your lawyers in contempt (jail-able offence). While lining up a long list of crying victims to tell the jury…
That's far from what actually happened to Jones and also you're mixing metaphors of criminal and civil trials which are very very different in the US. There were years between the start of the trial and the default judgements and the behavior extended beyond just failing to produce requested files people legitimately don't have requested records all the time in litigation and they do not suffer the same outcome becau…
>they properly cooperate with the process and demonstrate they they do not have >the documents instead of refusing to provide them.
You make the assumption that it's practically possible to prove a negative like that. For example, prove that unicorns don't exist ... maybe you just haven't looked long and hard enough.
> Jones lied and continues to lie to this day about why he lost the case because > it's a liar and a con man and the claim he's persecuted unfairly helps him > sell his supplements to his audience.
If all that Alex did was lie, I don't think anyone would care about him.
Clearly he's been on the political radar because his "conspiracy theories" too often turned out to be true..
I don't think you're being very charitable to his audience.
People enjoy listening to a counter negative to the mainstream narrative. And some people find great value in it, enough to support him by buying his supplements.
Alex speaks in hyperbolic ways, people can make whatever they want of that. If he calls P. Diddy a deep state demon, for example. Is that a lie? Demons don't exist. Sure. But can humans approach demon like behaviour. I think so.
Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
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Musk filed saying that he owns the X accounts and they aren't allowed to be sold according to the TOS. The X accounts were removed from the pending sale.
I haven't seen the filing, but I presume you mean that X filed saying that they own the accounts, right? I don't get why people conflate Elon Musk with the companies that he runs. I imagine he has controlling stakes in all of them, but for the most part he's probably not even a majority shareholder in most of the companies he's running.
All of Musk's companies are run in accordance with his whims, so there isn't a meaningful distinction between them.
Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
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So where were all the other bidders offering $10 million plus?
Not there because the auction was run in a terrible way - it was very hard to submit a bid and the due date got moved forward at the last minute. There were rumblings that Elon Musk was going to put in a big bid.
If all parties were happy with a bid, why does it need to be run "fairly"? This isn't house auction offereing up an artifact, this is a man guilty in the court of law going bankrupt and divvying off his assets. If the people in charge of said divvying and the ones owed money are happy, who really cares?
Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
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How was that harassment? They directed a baseless smear campaign which posed a significant risk to Dominion’s business. Unless we’re defining “harassment” as “accountability”, that seems fair.
You're right, harassment might not be the right term when applied to a corporate entity. Either way these were both defamation suits.
I think the more important aspect is that both of these were cases where someone knowingly promulgated false information fully aware that their story was not supported by the facts. Real journalists don’t tend to do that both because it’s unethical and because it can be financially ruinous.
The situation is different in cases where the truth isn’t clear or where supporting evidence turns out to be fake because in those cases a real journalistic organization will retract or update their story. Had either of them been willing to do so, they almost certainly wouldn’t have even been sued. The Sandy Hook settlement was so large because it was obvious that Jones simply wasn’t going to leave the victims alone.
Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
#760The amount of folks here supporting Alex Jones is completely shocking to me. He built a business out of attacking and re-victimizing parents whose children were murdered. He's scum of the earth. That business was taken away from him, and folks think that's too much? What the actual fuck.
About 30% of people are assholes, and birds of a feather flock together.