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Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by echohack5 »

Is this what it feels like to become one of the gray bearded engineers? This sounds like a bunch of intentionally confusing marketing drivel.

When capitalism has pilfered everything from the pockets of working people so people are constantly stressed over healthcare and groceries, and there's little left to further the pockets of plutocrats, the only marketing that makes sense is to appeal to other companies in order to raid their coffers by tricking their Directors to buy a nonsensical product.

Is that what they mean by "agentic era"? Cause that's what it sounds like to me. Also smells alot like press release driven development where the point is to put a feather in the cap of whatever poor Google engineer is chasing their next promotion.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by wepple »

airstrike wrote: post #19

OT: I’m not entirely sure why, but "agentic" sets my teeth on edge. I don't mind the concept, but the word itself has that hollow, buzzwordy flavor I associate with overblown LinkedIn jargon, particularly as it is not actually in the dictionary...unlike perfectly serviceable entries such as "versatile", "multifaceted" or "autonomous"

Versatile is far worse. It’s so broad to the point of meaninglessness. My garden rake is fairly versatile.

Agentic to me means that it acts somewhat under its own authority rather than a single call to an LLM. It has a small degree of agency.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by CSMastermind »

EternalFury wrote: post #47

Think of Google as of a tanker ship. It takes a while to change course, but it has great momentum. Sundar just needs to make sure the course is right.

That's almost word for word what people said about Windows Phone when I was at Microsoft.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by weatherlite »

echohack5 wrote: post #171

Is this what it feels like to become one of the gray bearded engineers? This sounds like a bunch of intentionally confusing marketing drivel. When capitalism has pilfered everything from the pockets of working people so people are constantly stressed over healthcare and groceries, and there's little left to further the pockets of plutocrats, the only marketing that makes sense is to appeal to other companies in order…

> Is that what they mean by "agentic era"? Cause that's what it sounds like to me.

What are you basing your opinion on? I have no idea how well these LLM agents will perform but its definitely a thing. OpenAI is working on them , Claude and certainly Google.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by cush »

echohack5 wrote: post #171

Is this what it feels like to become one of the gray bearded engineers? This sounds like a bunch of intentionally confusing marketing drivel. When capitalism has pilfered everything from the pockets of working people so people are constantly stressed over healthcare and groceries, and there's little left to further the pockets of plutocrats, the only marketing that makes sense is to appeal to other companies in order…

Yeah it’s a lot of marketing fluff but these tools are genuinely useful and there’s no wonder why Google is working hard to prevent them from destroying their search-dependent bottom line.

Marketing aside, agents are just LLMs that can reach out of their regular chat bubbles and use tools. Seems like just the next logical evolution

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by atorodius »

CSMastermind wrote: post #170

> We're also launching a new feature called Deep Research, which uses advanced reasoning and long context capabilities to act as a research assistant, exploring complex topics and compiling reports on your behalf. It's available in Gemini Advanced today. Anyone seeing this? I don't have an option in my dropdown.

Rolling out the next few days accorsing to Jeff

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by crazygringo »

crowcroft wrote: post #15

Big companies can be slow to pivot, and Google has been famously bad at getting people aligned and driving in one direction. But, once they do get moving in the right direction the can achieve things that smaller companies can't. Google has an insane amount of talent in this space, and seems to be getting the right results from that now. Remains to be seen how well they will be able to productize and market, but hard…

> and Google has been famously bad at getting people aligned and driving in one direction.

To be fair, it's not that they're bad at it -- it's that they generally have an explicit philosophy against it. It's a choice.

Google management doesn't want to "pick winners". It prefers to let multiple products (like messaging apps, famously) compete and let the market decide. According to this way of thinking, you come out ahead in the long run because you increase your chances of having the winning product.

Gemini is a great example of when they do choose to focus on a single strategy, however. Cloud was another great example.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by atorodius »

CSMastermind wrote: post #173
EternalFury wrote: post #47

Think of Google as of a tanker ship. It takes a while to change course, but it has great momentum. Sundar just needs to make sure the course is right.

That's almost word for word what people said about Windows Phone when I was at Microsoft.

Was the Windows Phone ever at the frontier tho?

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by lern_too_spel »

griomnib wrote: post #115
kridsdale1 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Pixel 9 runs many small proprietary Gemini models on the internal TPU.

And yet these new models still haven’t reached feature parity with Google Assistant, which can turn my flashlight on, but with all the power of burning down a rainforest, Gemini still cannot interact with my actual phone.

I just tried asking my phone to turn on the flashlight using Gemini. It worked. https://9to5google.com/2024/11/07/gemini-utilities-extension...
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