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Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by hbn » Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 2:12 PM UTC

acdha wrote: post #205

hbn wrote: post #188

Jones seems like a nut, but the way he's being taken to the cleaners and sued for comical amounts of money are just absurd. I'm not being hyperbolic saying people would be less mad at him if he had done the shooting himself. And it's especially rich in a time where the most popular podcast genre is women commenting on brutal murder cases as they're fresh and being investigated, and throwing out their pet theories abo…

Jones continued to inflict harm on families who’d lost children, and profited significantly from it both financially and politically. He defied multiple courts, too, so there was no question of premeditation or incapacity, just repeated decisions to cause harm year after year. That’s the difference: true crime podcasts don’t cause harm on that scale, and few people are going to defy the authority of the legal system…

When was the last time he was profiting from Sandy Hook conspiracies? I heard him apologize for it years ago and say he doesn't believe it.

And true crime podcasts definitely do cause harm, the fans of those shows love playing vigilante detective, stalking and harassing people close to the case to get information. I remember a few years ago there was an incident where they were protesting outside of some guy's house because he was a suspect in his girlfriend's disappearance, so he couldn't even go outside. True crime is an entire industry monetizing tragedies in realtime on a scale the Sandy Hook conspiracies never came anywhere close to.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by InsideOutSanta » Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 2:16 PM UTC

wakawaka28 wrote: post #51

jmward01 wrote: post #42

It is clear that Jones and his relatives have moved money and assets around in order to shield them from the verdict. Now, money that should have been already given to the victims is being used to steal back the megaphone that caused harmed in the first place. The end effect will probably be even more subscribers and money for Jones which he will use with even less restraint since he knows there are no consequences.…

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"steal someone's stuff through improper processes"

How is a bankruptcy case "stealing stuff through improper process"?

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by skywhopper » Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 2:17 PM UTC

a-french-anon wrote: post #145

latexr wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is dangerously close to making the penalty the loss of his first amendment rights. It’s fascinating (and worrying) how the people who cry the loudest about the first amendment are the ones who least understand it. The right to free speech doesn’t mean you can say literally anything without consequences. If you’re a deliberate liar who provably lies to profit and harm others, you can and should be punished. I’m…

> The right to free speech doesn’t mean you can say literally anything without consequences. If you’re a deliberate liar who provably lies to profit and harm others, you can and should be punished. Right, and how do you obtain that "proof of deliberateness"? Or measure that non-physical harm in a way that doesn't give power to people who just don't like what you're saying (possibly the truth)? Most people in favour o…

There’s a long history of law and court cases that have set the rules for making this determination. Do you think this is the first such case in history, that no one has thought of this before? These sorts of laws go back thousands of years in general and hundreds of years specifically in the US. You are not some super genius who just realized it’s hard to figure out if people are intentionally lying. That part of the case is long over with here.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by mountainriver » Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 2:17 PM UTC

ajb wrote: post #206

jmward01 wrote: post #42

It is clear that Jones and his relatives have moved money and assets around in order to shield them from the verdict. Now, money that should have been already given to the victims is being used to steal back the megaphone that caused harmed in the first place. The end effect will probably be even more subscribers and money for Jones which he will use with even less restraint since he knows there are no consequences.…

That's not what this judgement says. It actually says the sale did not generate enough money for the creditors and the process should be run again. I think the Judge maybe naive in thinking that re-running an auction will generate more money (normally it will generate less, as the losing bidders will drop out) but he did not agree with Jones' claims.

Yep so that Elon can step in and buy it

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by skywhopper » Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 2:17 PM UTC

logicchains wrote: post #164

latexr wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is dangerously close to making the penalty the loss of his first amendment rights. It’s fascinating (and worrying) how the people who cry the loudest about the first amendment are the ones who least understand it. The right to free speech doesn’t mean you can say literally anything without consequences. If you’re a deliberate liar who provably lies to profit and harm others, you can and should be punished. I’m…

>If you’re a deliberate liar who provably lies to profit and harm others, you can and should be punished. The first amendment absolutely gives you the right to lie, and the right to profit from that lying if you're not explicitly committing fraud or defaming anyone. You may disagree with it, but that's what the law is.

You really should read up on these things before you make statements like this.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 2:18 PM UTC

braincat31415 wrote: post #197

pineaux wrote: post #177

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This is a lie. Hiding assets is trivially easy. You just shouldn't hide them by literally hiding them or not telling about them. Selling the assets for almost free to a different organisation just before you go get your bankrupty is the way to go.

If it is legal and done in plain sight, then it is not "hiding" by definition. If it were illegal, the court and the lawyers representing parents would have done something about the fact of the sale. Hide: "put or keep out of sight; conceal from the view or notice of others." The fact is that most of complainers here would be laughed out of the bancruptcy court, yourself included. Selling assets for nothing before ba…

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Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by jeltz » Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 2:18 PM UTC

UltraSane wrote: post #54

anon291 wrote: post #21

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In the same way non-corporate 'entities' related to Alex Jones don't owe his debts. If there's a company of which he's a minority owner, they could decide to buy it, and it would be like his brother buying it.

It is pure bullshit is what it is.

It is fraud and that bid should be disqualified.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by cess11 » Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 2:19 PM UTC

HPsquared wrote: post #222

cess11 wrote: post #211

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It's not a punishment, it's a debt. If you steal a sandwich and eat it you'll be fined, that's a punishment and a transaction with the state, and you'll also pay the owner damages, which is not a transaction with the state.

Only in the most legalistic sense.

How so? Is the difference between having to repay Lisa when you've caused her harm and having to pay the state because you did something criminal that hard for you to understand that you actually consider it a matter of "legalistic" quibbling?

Would you accept a jurisdiction where, instead of going to prison, you could just pay someone a bunch of money after you've raped or performed some other obviously criminal act against them?

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by impossiblefork » Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 2:19 PM UTC

I really don't understand how a judgement this large can be reasonable in a case where nobody has had his house burned down.

A billion dollars is ten billion crowns, that's 10 000 million crowns, or around 5 000 apartments.

I don't understand how 5 000 apartments can be a judgement handed out to an individual over something he says. It doesn't really matter what he says, when it's this kind of huge amounts. One can't fine somebody the value of an entire town unless he's done destruction of that order, or at least a fraction of that order.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by mountainriver » Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 2:20 PM UTC

logicchains wrote: post #168

CJefferson wrote: post #156

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You obtain it through a court, exactly had happened here. Jones as a deliberate lair, who has ruined the lives of dozens of people who had already had the most terrible thing happen to them -- the murder of a child.

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Wow go read the stories of the parents who dealt with this and think about who you are defending