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Re: Vim Creep

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Post by icebraining »

SilasX wrote: post #190
kevinalexbrown wrote: post #73

This is an extremely awesome, fantastic, exhilarating use of hyperbole. What I gained from the article wasn't any explanation of why Vim is great; indeed, there was little included in this respect, aside from moving "entire blocks of code with the flick of a finger." Even the cool feeling of proficiency you get from knowing a tool well, and the fun of getting to show off a skill to a "how did he do that!?" audience w…

>Addendum: I use vim and pentadactyl. They are extremely awesome, fantastic, and exhilarating. Hell yeah! In fact, I came to Vim through pentadactyl because I wanted a way to browse without using the mouse. I second the description of "exhilarating": navigating pages from the keyboard is much, much faster than clicking on links (except in those cases where the poor site design makes the clickable buttons undetectable…

And the ring that binds them together is Pentadactyl's Ctrl+i, which opens the the textarea with focus in GVim, and then loads it back when you close the editor. I'm typing this in it ;)

Re: Vim Creep

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Post by icebraining »

einhverfr wrote: post #151
babarock wrote: post #93

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Also, years of evangelism will teach you that you cannot convince someone that Vim is better , let alone great . A lot of the propaganda out there starts by telling people "you're doing it wrong! Let me show you the better way!". Vim is one of these tools that isn't obviously better, so that you don't really understand its power until you try it (for a few months or so). I enjoyed this article exactly because the aut…

Exactly. This is one reason why I never tell people they are wrong regarding a choice of text editors. Keep in mind I usually have multiple VIM instances open and an instance of gedit (because I do some things that VIM is a little clumsy at regarding my todo list). What I usually say is something like: There are text editors and then there are text editors. If you are only spending a few hours a month in front of a t…

W.r.t your Todo list, have you tried VimOutliner? It's excellent for that, even having macros for checkboxes and such.

Re: Vim Creep

#193

Post by SilasX »

ta12121 wrote: post #65
recursive wrote: post #53

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If you're into that sort of thing, you can do Ctrl + F, bar in Sublime too. Most of the comparisons in this discussion between vim and non vim demonstrate high proficiency in vim, but not as much elsewhere. Of course you are more proficient in the tool you know best.

Does your example include the action of deleting bar with baz? Also, not having to move away from the home row makes me feel much faster. Having to use Alt/Control/Arrows makes me cry. (I know you can't avoid Control in Vim, but in this example it is not required.) ci"baz is 7 keystrokes, only one of which is a jump. bar baz is 8 strokes and two jumps. It also requires typing the entire string in quotes. If the examp…

Some Vimmers (like me) remap a key combination (pref one you rarely would want to add to the text) to Esc so you don't have to leave the home row. I use ;j or lkj. (and If you actually want to type those in insert mode, just do it a bit more slowly or with ;ji escape-inserts between the characters. Generally, it takes a long string of keystrokes before moving off the home row is faster.

Re: Vim Creep

#194

Post by SilasX »

icebraining wrote: post #191
SilasX wrote: post #190

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>Addendum: I use vim and pentadactyl. They are extremely awesome, fantastic, and exhilarating. Hell yeah! In fact, I came to Vim through pentadactyl because I wanted a way to browse without using the mouse. I second the description of "exhilarating": navigating pages from the keyboard is much, much faster than clicking on links (except in those cases where the poor site design makes the clickable buttons undetectable…

And the ring that binds them together is Pentadactyl's Ctrl+i, which opens the the textarea with focus in GVim, and then loads it back when you close the editor. I'm typing this in it ;)

Wow, and you learn new features every day. Thanks! (It probably teaches such a trick in the tutorial but early on I was busy de-Vimming the actual text input in browsers when I first installed it...)

Re: Vim Creep

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Post by moconnor »

thornofmight wrote: post #116

How do people use Vi on large projects? Do you just manually type in the name of the file you're looking for every time?

I use the CommandT plugin: ,/ and then start typing fragments of the filename / path to open.

Re: Vim Creep

#196

Post by tikhonj »

DeepDuh wrote: post #179
tikhonj wrote: post #175

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Now is a great time to quit: the job market is crazy for software developers. Maybe you don't have the luxury of choosing what tools to use, but you certainly have the luxury of choosing where to work! Unless you're planning to stay at your current company forever, this is as good a time as any to try something new. Put some excitement into your life :).

Actually I wasn't talking about myself. So far I've only been working part time as a software engineer during my studies and I want to start a company next year. So, IF it works out, I could have that luxury. But I still find it a bit silly to tell someone to quit his job just because his current tooling doesn't involve vim or emacs. Tools are just that. Tools. And IMO Java is just fine if you use it where it is the…

Actually, I could live with using an IDE. And most places let you use Emacs if you're crazy enough. (I know both from others and a bit of personal experience :P.)

It's the Java that would really drive me off the wall. Even in enterprise business applications (which aren't fun as is), Java is exceptionally annoying. But it is easy to hire for!

Re: Vim Creep

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Post by zephod »

astrofinch wrote: post #188
mun2mun wrote: post #79

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Just watch the video of the page http://blog.extracheese.org/2010/11/screencast-custom-vim-re... to get the gist of "entire blocks of code with the flick of a finger".

I'm pretty sure that "re-factoring" could've been accomplished equally fast with the mouse. In most editors, you can double-click to select a token and triple-click to select a line. So the mouse version would be: double-click 10, copy, double-click ten, paste, triple click the line you want to delete, press delete. Pretty fast, really; especially if you're using a laptop where the cost of moving your hand to the mou…

Your first paragraph ignores the central point of the screencast: How would you record those mouse interactions as a general, reprogrammable macro? He signs off the video with an important statement which hints at the 'zen' of using Vim for a long time: "It's a nice thing to aspire to, to automate all of your interactions with the code in this way".

Re: Vim Creep

#199

Post by lparry »

irahul wrote: post #181
roryokane wrote: post #152

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Yes, the minimap is what you guessed it was. Other ST features that Vim/Emacs don’t have (by default, at least): • You can use proportional fonts (I use Verdana) • The interface chrome is graphical, not text in a grid. This allows nice details such as a drop-shadow from the minimap when it covers the text and proportional fonts in the file tree’s filenames. • On a Mac with smooth scrolling, you can scroll smoothly pi…

> You can use proportional fonts (I use Verdana) Vim uses what my terminal uses. No ideas if my terminal(terminator) allows proportional fonts, but I always have used monospaced. Proportional looks ugly to me when it comes to code. > The interface chrome is graphical, not text in a grid. This allows nice details such as a drop-shadow from the minimap when it covers the text and proportional fonts in the file tree’s f…

>> It uses Python as its scripting language, so you can use Python libraries easily, and don’t have to learn an editor-specific language. Similarly, it uses JSON for settings.

>Python is much more mainstream than vimscript, yes, but there are still people who don't know python and don't want to learn it. Learning python for them isn't very different from learning vimscript.

You've quite obviously never tried to code anything in vimscript, have an axe to grind with Python, or are Tim Pope. Vimscript is a horrible abomination that's painful to do just about anything in. Python is far, far superior.

(Vim lover and Ruby guy here, but I'd pick just about any language over vimscript)

Re: Vim Creep

#200

Post by calibraxis »

crazygringo wrote: post #26
heretohelp wrote: post #17

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I don't understand vimmers, but I use Emacs and I can say that having your work environment be 100% programmable is pretty damned nice.

So what kind of stuff do you program inside of it? What kinds of problems do you solve? I mean, I've never really felt the need to program an add-on to text editor. I download syntax highlighting packages, and there are common macros like "remove trailing whitespace" already installed. Keyboard shortcuts can be changed in lots of editors and OS's. In the past, I've definitely been upset that a particular editor didn'…

Restarting a program (in various profiles) for tight dev cycles; running unit-tests appropriate to the file I'm currently looking at; using REPLs (Redis, etc); publishing stuff to servers; hacking games which emacs ships with; going through a file and rolling increment certain numbers; and so on.
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