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Wait what? Do you have any source for subreddits being sold to Democrats?
Of course he doesn't :)
Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
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Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
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Bankruptcy is not a punishment, neither is having to pay damages. His business wasn't about the exercise of first amendment rights, it was about selling supplements and whatnot.
It's a pretty large punishment.
Is this some kind of joke I'm not getting?
Prison and fines are punishments, having to pay damages is not. When you can't afford to pay your debts, bankruptcy is not a punishment, it's a process to clear out the debts so both debtor and creditors can move on.
Punishment regulates the relation between a person and the state and is a part of criminal law, paying damages is part of civil law.
Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
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He can't pay his debts. What alternative to bankruptcy do you propose?
I'm not arguing against bankruptcy. I'm saying that bankruptcy is a structured process that is supposed to generate monetary outcomes for everyone. Selling off assets in a non-competitive process is basically a criminal move, especially if you collude with one of the bidders who is also a creditor. Bankruptcy itself aside, the judgement against Alex Jones here is huge. I haven't looked it up but I'm sure it broke rec…
it very much was a case of FAFO. he lost the case by repeatedly skipping his deposition (once with a fake doctor's note), and by refusing to participate in the discovery process. them during the damages trial, he repeatedly lied on the stand in obvious ways, and also went on air repeatedly while the trial was ongoing to call the judge and jury insane, on drugs, etc. the trial strategy of loudly and repeatedly defaming the jury turns out to be a bad one since it does a very good job explaining to the jury just how awful being a target of Jones was.
Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
#144It is clear that Jones and his relatives have moved money and assets around in order to shield them from the verdict. Now, money that should have been already given to the victims is being used to steal back the megaphone that caused harmed in the first place. The end effect will probably be even more subscribers and money for Jones which he will use with even less restraint since he knows there are no consequences.…
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What he did was beyond mere defamation. It was heinous, it was blatant and deliberate dishonesty, and targeted vulnerable victims.
Repeating the verifiable lie that the Sandy Hook incident did not happen, and promoting violence against the surviving families, despite repeated opportunities to stop without penalty, is beyond forgivable.
And this penalty is because he declined to defend this behavior. Remember, it's a default judgement.
The conditioning to the public is that this behavior is not tolerated in a civil society, no matter what your political leanings. Him losing his "intellectual property", but not his voice, is getting off lightly.
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> This is dangerously close to making the penalty the loss of his first amendment rights. It’s fascinating (and worrying) how the people who cry the loudest about the first amendment are the ones who least understand it. The right to free speech doesn’t mean you can say literally anything without consequences. If you’re a deliberate liar who provably lies to profit and harm others, you can and should be punished. I’m…
> The right to free speech doesn’t mean you can say literally anything without consequences. If you’re a deliberate liar who provably lies to profit and harm others, you can and should be punished.
Right, and how do you obtain that "proof of deliberateness"? Or measure that non-physical harm in a way that doesn't give power to people who just don't like what you're saying (possibly the truth)?
Most people in favour of free speech already know about libel and defamation, you're just trying to muddy the waters here.
Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
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Bankruptcy is not a punishment, neither is having to pay damages. His business wasn't about the exercise of first amendment rights, it was about selling supplements and whatnot.
It's a pretty large punishment.
He recklessly caused a lot of pain to families that already suffered a horrific tragedy, and profited from the attention by being (almost literally) a snake-oil salesman. He deserves a large punishment.
Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
#147It is clear that Jones and his relatives have moved money and assets around in order to shield them from the verdict. Now, money that should have been already given to the victims is being used to steal back the megaphone that caused harmed in the first place. The end effect will probably be even more subscribers and money for Jones which he will use with even less restraint since he knows there are no consequences.…
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> This is dangerously close to making the penalty the loss of his first amendment rights.
They'll never be able to stop him from creating "The Alex Jones Off the Deep End Show" where he thrills listeners with zany tales of conspiracies that can only be held at bay with these brand new supplements. He just has to forfeit Infowars and its assets.
Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
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Just found out he recently lost appeal. He has Connecticut Supreme Court, federal district court and SCOTUS to appeal to now. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/connecticut-court-uphold...
Ok, then I would be very surprised (positively) if it weren't overturned by SCOTUS (if it goes that far).
The damages seem excessive to me. If he were the shooter, it would be justified, but he was not. I'm surprised the appellate court upheld it. Don't get me wrong, what Jones did was pretty horrible, especially after having just lost their kids right before Christmas. The presents were still under the tree. I couldn't imagine, but he wasn't the shooter.
If it stands, it would also set a pretty bad precedent. Trump could sue MSNBC for $1B for their RussiaGate reporting. Gaetz could sue ABC for $1B their View reporting, etc. They would be effectively shut down.
Or maybe it would be good. It would force news organizations to not be so sloppy.
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#149Wait, so you can be fined 1.5 Billion for reporting on a conspiracy theory? BTW, this is a lot more than pharmaceutical companies pay out for actually killing people. I remember watching the trial and it was the most ridiculous thing every. The defendant (Alex) wasn't allowed to say he's innocent because the judge defaulted him. Yet the prosecution was allowed to bring in all kinds of evidence of his guilt (other tha…
Jones repeatedly violated court orders, withheld subpoenaed documents, ignored depositions, and disrupted the trial every chance he got, and so received a default judgement. I don't know where you heard the line about YouTube ad revenue but that's got nothing to do with nothing. Everything that happened was his own fault. He was extended plenty of leeway and he blew every last bit of it. If he thought the amount of money was unreasonable, he should have showed up to the trial and said so without doing fifty things worth being held in contempt of court for.
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> Alex Jones's vitamin company offered 2x more cash Wait, isn't Alex Jone's essentially bankrupted by the ruling for the Sandy Hook parents? If he has that much cash to offer wouldn't that have been given to the parents who won the suit?
I believe officially the vitamin company is owned by his parents and isn't included in the judgement against Alex Jones.
How is that not fraud?