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Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

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Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

#101

It's been clear in my mind for some time now that Facebook is desperately doing anything possible to stay plugged into our internet lives. Their attempted take-over of email, which will probably lead to some success, only reinforces this. I think they see the writing on the wall -- that newer services will take over older ones -- and are doing anything they can to stay top dog. What we need is an abstraction layer on…

Stop using Facebook. Done. No more hands at your throat.

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

#102
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the problem lays within who decide who is a "sexual predator", who is not. I can assure you if this is left without governance, it will be very easy to slip in you and me and label as as predators as well. For example, you hold a hand of your 6-year old nephew when walking back from school when picking him up, per your sister request. In Facebook standards, you may already be a "sexual predator". I hope you see where…

When everyone's a sexual predator, no one is.

When everyone's sexual predator, EXCEPT the elite that decided on who's sexual predator, then everyone EXCEPT elite goes to jail.

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

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post #56

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When everyone's a sexual predator, no one is.

When everyone's sexual predator, EXCEPT the elite that decided on who's sexual predator, then everyone EXCEPT elite goes to jail.

Some sex offenders have avoided jail time. Florida has an interesting comparison of the terms[1]. How large is the pool of "elite" you're talking about? I don't think a size of over 10,000 deserves the term (so about 0.0033... percent of the US population if we limit to there) and I'd lean more toward a max of 500 (0.000166...%). It's at least a fun thought-experiment: how low can you go before the economy collapses and/or those in charge can't keep the prisoners or slaves in line or fed? Even back in the days of US slavery, only two states had slightly more slaves than non-slaves[2].

[1] http://sheriff.org/faqs/displayfaq.cfm?id=54934ef5-c69b-4771...

[2] http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_the_ratio_for_slaves_to_s...

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

#104

I'm not a criminal, I am a a pretty mundane guy actually, but of course we live in a society that every single one of us breaks some small law every day. Which is why I stopped using Facebook. I also stopped using Twitter to tweet. I still use it to follow news sources, I just don't actively tweet. I did that after the NYPD won a court case to see all the private messages you send on Twitter. I also don't comment muc…

> I am gonna be completely honest, I am scared to express myself any longer on the Internet in any fashion. I don't trust it any longer. I don't trust the police, I don't trust the FBI, I don't trust the federal government, and I also don't trust, nor have faith, in the justice system in the United States.

I moved out of the country four years ago for this very reason. The rule of law is gone. It is unsafe to live there.

You must leave. The time is now. This is not a drill. You are not overreacting.

You must leave.

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

#105

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Wrote this some time ago: --- It started innocently enough. Everyone is on it. Everyone. In the more than 20 years since it was founded - and now - daily life just could not be managed without it. Sure, it started innocently enough. Connect with your friends, post your pics, keep up with the fam. Yeah, that was then. It wasn't too long before they started adding features. Adding value they called it. Extending your c…

What is this?

Alarmist tripe.

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

#106
post #94
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This actually tripped up a friend of mine a couple of years ago. She left a comment on a photo of someone holding a toy gun saying "You look like " followed by a smiley. Within hours, she got a message and a phone call from someone claiming to be working for FB's security who asked her some basic questions on why she left that comment. The whole experience scared her from using FB for a long time. I thought the whole…

It sounds like your friend got trolled. We don't call users whom we suspect are criminals, and we certainly wouldn't call someone we suspect of being a terrorist. Especially on the grounds of a terrorism joke - believe it or not, we do have a sense of humor. I work for Facebook's User Operations team and, as the Reuters article says, this specific tool targets the (thankfully) rare cases of adults trying to use the s…

You shouldn't be striving for a low false positive rate, but for a zero false positive rate.

"Think of the children" doesn't rationalize even one wrongly accused person - especially in today's society where an accusation is enough to completely ruin ones life.

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

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post #106
post #94

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It sounds like your friend got trolled. We don't call users whom we suspect are criminals, and we certainly wouldn't call someone we suspect of being a terrorist. Especially on the grounds of a terrorism joke - believe it or not, we do have a sense of humor. I work for Facebook's User Operations team and, as the Reuters article says, this specific tool targets the (thankfully) rare cases of adults trying to use the s…

You shouldn't be striving for a low false positive rate, but for a zero false positive rate. "Think of the children" doesn't rationalize even one wrongly accused person - especially in today's society where an accusation is enough to completely ruin ones life.

Maybe they live in the real world where a zero false positive rate simply doesn't exist.

And be serious. Getting asked a question from Facebook is hardly going to ruin someone's life is it now ?

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

#108
post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You shouldn't be striving for a low false positive rate, but for a zero false positive rate. "Think of the children" doesn't rationalize even one wrongly accused person - especially in today's society where an accusation is enough to completely ruin ones life.

Maybe they live in the real world where a zero false positive rate simply doesn't exist. And be serious. Getting asked a question from Facebook is hardly going to ruin someone's life is it now ?

OP said they aren't calling users but passing information on to law enforcement. Getting a call by Facebook for a bad joke is one thing. Getting the door busted in by police and subsequently shamed and fired from your job because of a bad joke you thought you made in private is another.

in case of law enforcement, the only acceptable false positive rate is zero.

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

#109

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I am curious what you think of Eben Moglen's "Freedom Box" project? http://freedomboxfoundation.org/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgu8NUm5Zxk

I really, really hope it takes off.

I guess I have to send a reply to my past self:

I don't think hope is enough, actually. The Freedom Box needs volunteers desperately. Everything from code to user interface to ideas.

So I suppose my hope is: I really, really hope more people get involved.

After all, it is we the people who ultimately are creating the thing.

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

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post #104

I'm not a criminal, I am a a pretty mundane guy actually, but of course we live in a society that every single one of us breaks some small law every day. Which is why I stopped using Facebook. I also stopped using Twitter to tweet. I still use it to follow news sources, I just don't actively tweet. I did that after the NYPD won a court case to see all the private messages you send on Twitter. I also don't comment muc…

> I am gonna be completely honest, I am scared to express myself any longer on the Internet in any fashion. I don't trust it any longer. I don't trust the police, I don't trust the FBI, I don't trust the federal government, and I also don't trust, nor have faith, in the justice system in the United States. I moved out of the country four years ago for this very reason. The rule of law is gone. It is unsafe to live th…

Really? That's just kind of ridiculous. Where are you going to hide? The Big Bad Boogey Man is going to get you.
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