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A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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> The Oresund bridge between Denmark and Sweden, which opened in 2000, made illegal firearms and drugs easier to transfer. > Ten years ago Sweden, with 10m people, had one of the lowest rates of gun violence and murder in Europe. It now has one of the highest Is Denmark known for illegal firearms and drugs export? The way it's written it's almost blaming Denmark for its issues. And besides, wasn't that 20 years ago.…

I live in Malmö, on the Swedish side of that bridge. The police quite regularly stops local youths on their way to Denmark with guns and grenades. The Danish minister of justice recently referred to them as “Swedish child soldiers” and threatened to close the border. So yes, most Danes would probably object to that characterization.

Also living in Malmö, and the Oresund bridge does share some “blame”, but only because its an actual open border to the schengen area.

From what I’m told, people ride trains through europe with weaponry from eastern europe, where black market arms are easier to acquire, through a combination of leaky borders and post-war redundant stock.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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It’s… difficult . I live in Sweden and the issues of lack of integration are eerily similar to those that affect the UK (where I was born and raised 80s-10s); pockets of extremely isolated cultures living in essentially parallel societies. First, migration is too inclusive and too exclusive of a term. For example it would exclude a second generation individual- and if we are suggesting that religion is an issue, thos…

It's too easy to blame this all on immigrants. Let's not pretend the native population actually wants to mix.

Is it the fault of the native population for not wanting to mix?

A weird fact about Sweden is that if a popular vote was ever held on immigration alone, we would never have had this situation. The polls on the issue have always been in majority "against" mass immigration. So for some reason democracy doesn't work over here. Maybe you've had better luck where you're at.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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The problem is not immigration or too many migrants, but rather the fact too many of them lack educational background you need to be successful in modern Western society. Mostly it's young men who arrived as asylum seekers without much education who fail to integrate and get marginalized.

I think that's an unnecessary distinction.

Not really. I'm yet to see statistics which show highly educated migrants who come for work causing major issues. It's only a particular type of migration that causes issues with crime.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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post #43

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Your first claim appears to be false. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gini-coef...

You're looking at income inequality, not wealth inequality. While Sweden has relatively low income inequality, it has extremely high wealth inequality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_we...

> While Sweden has relatively low income inequality, it has extremely high wealth inequality.

The wealth is old industrial and aristocratic money. Salaried people don't accumulate wealth.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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It's too reductive to claim that immigration didn't cause problems, and it's too reductive to claim that immigration is the source of most of the problems.

What do you think causes the problems?

It being a taboo topic prevents real discussion.

The cause is a single genetically and socially society allowing mass immigration but not changing society to match the newcomers and/or not selecting newcomers based on culture similarities and/or not bridging the divide.

When you make a mass immigration commitment you need to follow it up with tons of work/money/education/discussion. That's why it fails in Europe but succeeds elsewhere. Then they make it impossible to succeed by limiting discussion and calling it hate speech.

North America has two different approaches. Leave who you are behind and become an American. Keep who you are and become Something/Canadian. Sweden wants it both ways.. leave who you are behind but never become Swedish.

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It’s… difficult . I live in Sweden and the issues of lack of integration are eerily similar to those that affect the UK (where I was born and raised 80s-10s); pockets of extremely isolated cultures living in essentially parallel societies. First, migration is too inclusive and too exclusive of a term. For example it would exclude a second generation individual- and if we are suggesting that religion is an issue, thos…

Integration is a two-way street. I've known many people born in England, France, Germany who feel excluded from education opportunities, workplace opportunities, healthcare and general civil society because of their family origin, cultural background and pure skin colour. Probably also how they speak in the UK. This issue is much less in new world countries (US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand). Let people into societ…

So it's Sweden's own people's fault for not wanting to do "integration"?

Do you believe the average Swede wanted mass immigration in the first place?

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Integration is a two-way street. I've known many people born in England, France, Germany who feel excluded from education opportunities, workplace opportunities, healthcare and general civil society because of their family origin, cultural background and pure skin colour. Probably also how they speak in the UK. This issue is much less in new world countries (US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand). Let people into societ…

Integration of randomly arrived (as opposed to selectively chosen and well-educated) Muslims has proved nigh impossible everywhere in the world of "unbelievers". As far as the UK goes, Hindus and Sikhs, who look every bit as exotic and dark-skinned as Pakistanis, are on average richer than white Britons and also societally very successful. If there is some kind of "pure skin colour"-based racism at work, it somehow d…

Canada does a relatively good job integrating Muslims.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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What do you think causes the problems?

It being a taboo topic prevents real discussion. The cause is a single genetically and socially society allowing mass immigration but not changing society to match the newcomers and/or not selecting newcomers based on culture similarities and/or not bridging the divide. When you make a mass immigration commitment you need to follow it up with tons of work/money/education/discussion. That's why it fails in Europe but…

Do you think the average Swede wanted mass immigration?

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Is that based on any evidence? I'm not familiar enough with the situation to know what the causes are, but I am aware of the long long history of scapegoating immigrants for any and all problems, so I'm inherintly a bit skeptical of that assumption.

Unfortunately, the opposite effect of being afraid to acknowledge crime by immigrants is also present. It looks like the government is unwilling to publish data that would resolve that question but here are some clues from Wikipedia [1]: "58% of men convicted of rape and attempted rape over the past five years were immigrants born outside of the European Union" "of 100 suspects of murder and attempted murder using fi…

If you take men from the dark ages and drop them into a deeply secular and free society you are asking for problems. It took Europe a century to leave Christianity behind.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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I think that's an unnecessary distinction.

Not really. I'm yet to see statistics which show highly educated migrants who come for work causing major issues. It's only a particular type of migration that causes issues with crime.

And "migrants" are simply not highly educated in this situation, they come from the Middle-East, and Africa.

Sweden's problem with mass immigration isn't related to some Japanese dude who moved here to work with steel manufacturing.

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