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Re: From where I left

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Post by brabel »

didip wrote: post #39

Antirez, I am just wondering about something... Given that you probably already have retirement-sized exit from Redis. Isn't it more liberating to start something completely new? Or maybe forked Redis as the foundation of something new? Is there a need to re-join the old company?

From the blog post, looks like he contemplated that (I'm sure that while playing around with code, he would've thought of that) but ended up going in another direction. You can disagree, but you've got to respect his decision to try and do what is best for him, and what he believes is best for Redis.

Re: From where I left

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Post by antirez »

wood_spirit wrote: post #42
antirez wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to help Redis to find a good path forward (while I respect the work of everybody). I was sponsored by this company for ages, I know the core hackers there, and they are strong and are good people. I talked with the CEO and he is very interested in finding novel ways to play, so I rejoined Redis and not ValKey. Honestly even if Redis public image has not been stellar recently, I know the people that work at Red…

At least you go into this seeing the reputation that Redis Labs has worked hard on earning recently. Could you not have stayed separate from them while contributing again?

What motivated me was the company idea that with the license change the attitude could change significantly towards providing as much value as possible back to Redis. So merging what is super useful and has been, so far, only available to paying customers, and so forth. Also the company is interested in changing attitude. All these things made me feel that my efforts were better spend doing some bridging work between the community and the company.

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Post by bsnnkv »

I really appreciated the section about OSI licenses as someone who this year stopped using them entirely for new work.

(Snippets from the article below)

> I wrote open source software for almost my whole life. Yet, as I’m an atheist and still I’m happy when I see other people believing in God, if this helps them to survive life’s hardships, I also don’t believe that open source is the only way to write software.

> Moreover, I don’t believe that openness and licensing are only what the OSI tells us they are. I see licensing as a spectrum of things you can and can’t do.

Re: From where I left

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Post by JoshTriplett »

echelon wrote: post #47
bhouston wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if you wanted to have influence without a big pay check, why not join Valkey? Redis, the company, in your absence has gotten a reputation as a predatory company that has attacked open source projects in other to further those goals. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/redis... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39858144 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42239607

> why not join Valkey? Valkey is making it possible for hyperscalers to continue appropriating open source and charging fat margins to everyone else. In a sense, Valkey is the bad guy here. And just look at all the support Valkey is getting from Amazon, Google, Oracle, etc. They're perpetuating the problem. The same thing happened with Elasticsearch. Unfortunately ICs without decision-making power started lambasting…

Many of the Redis developers left to form Valkey, so that they could keep working on the Open Source project they wanted to work on. Valkey is continuing a project that was released under Open Source terms, after the original company rugpulled the Open Source project in favor of a proprietary one.

Or, in other words, Valkey is Jenkins here, and Redis is Hudson.

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Post by echelon »

bhouston wrote: post #24
metalnirvana87 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Valkey with backing from AWS, GCP, and Oracle don't make any money at all ... wait aren't those trillion dollar monopolies? The pot calling the kettle black

Valkey also has the backing of The Linux Foundation. So maybe it just has a lot of backing in general. https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/linux-foundation-launc... BTW are you an employee of Redis? You seem to have created this account just to reply to me.

The Linux Foundation is a mouthpiece of the closed source, trillion dollar hyperscalers.

They're using the deceptive good feels to stop you from questioning their fat margins.

Why isn't the entire stack of AWS infra open source, again?

Open source has been twisted against us. The big players know where the money and value and power accumulates.

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Post by benatkin »

I appreciate redis, but believe me when I say, I never considered using redis under anything but its original license, and I am just as grateful for valkey as I am for redis. It is very easy to move and I will keep moving anytime there is a license switch-up like this. I prefer a fork rather than an alternative, but if a good fork hadn't emerged, I would have moved to something different with its own technical advantages and drawbacks.

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Post by porridgeraisin »

world2vec wrote: post #40

Is Claude really that much better than ChatGPT? I Use ChatGPT Plus on a daily basis and have no complaints but is it worth cancelling it and get one for Claude?

I think both are really capable. However anecdotally, I notice myself doing way less of the "annoyed, cancel response, extend prompt instructions, regenerate" cycles with Claude as compared to chatgpt.

Also, I am not sure if it has my writing style preferences saved somewhere, but Claude uses the terse style I prefer to read explanations in, without me needing to mention it. ChatGPT can do it too but it needs to be prompted lest it do the whole "repeat question, bullet points, summary" ceremony. ChatGPT gets really annoying when you have do the "slightly more detailed, slightly more terse, there we go" ceremony as well. For similar reasons, I prefer it for code.

One place where ChatGPT absolutely takes the cake though is mathematical proofs heavy with symbols. Nothing else comes close in my experience. It's also better at latex typesetting (seems to be more fluent with common packages like amsmath).

Re: From where I left

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Post by ofiryanai »

Very exciting! I sympathise with the Redis "lego" way. But don't you think that hybrid search ha meaningful use cases? E.g searches that combines BM25 or piplned search in more sophisticated way than simple filter + knn / hnsw then filter? Or maybe its more for a search engine than a cache

Re: From where I left

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Post by antirez »

ofiryanai wrote: post #58

Very exciting! I sympathise with the Redis "lego" way. But don't you think that hybrid search ha meaningful use cases? E.g searches that combines BM25 or piplned search in more sophisticated way than simple filter + knn / hnsw then filter? Or maybe its more for a search engine than a cache

I think that hybrid is useful in many contexts, but that providing hybrid as a bundle with other filtering techniques, API-side, is not necessarily the best way. Just a trivial example, you want to filter by documents year for similarity. With Redis vector indexes you didn't even care about hybrid, you create different keys for different years. This is the usual Redis tradeoff, it's very similar to the past but applied to a novel field.

However I don't deny that in the future maybe, if elements of vector sets happen to be JSON documents (maybe just with the attributes you want to filter with, and a document ID), it may be useful to have VSIM options to filter by such scalars.

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Post by pknerd »

antirez wrote: post #43
world2vec wrote: post #40

Is Claude really that much better than ChatGPT? I Use ChatGPT Plus on a daily basis and have no complaints but is it worth cancelling it and get one for Claude?

If you find ChatGPT useful, pay just one month of Claude AI and use both. I bet you'll discover that Claude AI can help you a great deal more. If that will be the case, you gained a much better AI assistant. Otherwise it's just 20 bucks... For me the difference is huge.

I have used Claude(Free) for coding and architecture-related questions and found it pretty solid but I found chatGPT a generalist LLM that is good at many things. Is Claude the same? Or you found Claude better for coding related tasks?
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