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Re: Sora is here

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Post by SamPatt »

echelon wrote: post #567
vlovich123 wrote: post #412

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Something being available OSS is very different from a turnkey product solution, not to mention that Tencent's 60 GiB requirement requires a setup with like at least 3-4 GPUs which is quite rare & fairly expensive vs something time-sharing like Sora where you pay a relatively small amount per video. I think the important thing is task quality and I haven't seen any evaluations of that yet.

> Something being available OSS is very different from a turnkey product solution, not to mention that Tencent's 60 GiB requirement requires a setup with like at least 3-4 GPUs which is quite rare & fairly expensive vs something time-sharing like Sora where you pay a relatively small amount per video. It took two weeks to go from Mochi running on 8xH100s to running on 3090s. I don't think you appreciate the rapidity…

If you've got a 4090 and ComfyUI can you run HunYuan?

Re: Sora is here

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Post by evan_ »

highwaylights wrote: post #242
lacoolj wrote: post #235

A little worried how young children watching these videos may develop inaccurate impressions of physics in nature. For instance, that ladybug looks pretty natural, but there's a little glitch in there that an unwitting observer, who's never seen a ladybug move before, may mistake as being normal. And maybe it is! And maybe it isn't? The sailing ship - are those water movements correct? The sinking of the elephant int…

I’d be more worried about the inevitable “we’re under nuclear attack, head for shelter” CNN deepfakes.

Or “go kill every member of $marginalized_group you can find”

Re: Sora is here

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Post by tomjen3 »

quenix wrote: post #212
pen2l wrote: post #80

Every day that passes I grow fonder of Google's decision to delay or otherwise keep a lot of this under the wraps. The other day I was scrolling down on YouTube shorts and a couple videos invoked an uncanny valley response from me (I think it was a clip of an unrealistically large snake covering some hut) which was somehow fascinating and strange and captivating, and then scrolling down a few more, again I saw someth…

It saddens me. Innovations in AI 'art' generation (music, audio, photo) have been a net negative to society and are already actively harming the Internet and our media sphere. Like I said in another comment, LLMs are cool and useful, but who in the hell asked for AI art? It's good enough to fool people and break the fragile trust relationship we had with online content, but is also extremely shit and carries no meani…

That describes most art. At least ai art can be pretty and doesn’t have the same political message.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by tomjen3 »

whatevertrevor wrote: post #403
mojuba wrote: post #300

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I think AI "art" can be as useful as the text generators, i.e. only within certain limits of dull and stupid stuff that needs to exist but has little to no value. For example, you need to generate a landing page for your boring company: text, images, videos and the overall design (as well as code!) can be and should be generated because... who cares about your boring company's landing page, right?

One could ask why the boring company landing page exists in the first place though. If it's not providing value to humans to warrant actual attention being paid to it...

The world is in need of soap. Not the fancy beautiful artistic kind, but the kind that comes in containers and you put in bathrooms. This objectively saves lives and is one of those boring things I can imagine.

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Post by tomjen3 »

miltonlost wrote: post #530
miohtama wrote: post #437

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Users, not tools, should be judged. It is unlikely anyone is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh.

> It is unlikely no one is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh. And the teens are having a laugh by... creating deepfake nudes of their classmates? The tools are bad, and the toolmakers should feel deep guilt and shame for what they released on the world. Do you not know the story of Nobel and dynam…

I can assure you that at right now teens are sharing real nudes of their class mates. Do you want to restrict cameras and high speed internet too?

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Post by billfruit »

Is there no way to try it even without subscribing? After you log in, it goes straight to a screen asking for subscription to create videos.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by itsdev »

Who legitimately asked for, or wants this? It's cool on it's face, sure.

What legitimate problem does it solve? Isn't AI supposed to make our lives easier, or is that just "not what it's supposed to be bro", or whatever. I've lost track at this point with all the hallucinations and poor/bad/really fucking bad responses. It's not 100% of the time, but that's the point of companies like OpenAI releasing stuff like this to the public... to be helpful and believable.

Deep fakes were bad enough. Shit like this is not helpful when given to the largely ignorant public. It's not going to be used for anything helpful, conducive, or otherwise beneficial.

It's impressive. Sure. I just fail to see what it's the solution to.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by gonzobonzo »

cornel_io wrote: post #305
spuz wrote: post #186

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Yes and the thing is, even for those tasks, it's incredibly difficult to achieve even the low bar that a typical advertising manager expects. Try it yourself for any real world task and you will see.

Counterpoint: our CEO spent 25 minutes shitting out a bunch of AI ads because he was frustrated with the pace of our advertising creative team. They hated the ads that he created, for the reasons you mention, but we tested them anyways and the best performing ones beat all of our "expert" team's best ads by a healthy margin (on all the metrics we care about, from CTR to IPM and downstream stuff like retention and RoA…

> Counterpoint: our CEO spent 25 minutes shitting out a bunch of AI ads because he was frustrated with the pace of our advertising creative team. They hated the ads that he created, for the reasons you mention, but we tested them anyways and the best performing ones beat all of our "expert" team's best ads by a healthy margin (on all the metrics we care about, from CTR to IPM and downstream stuff like retention and RoAS).

My guess is that the criticism of AI not being that good is correct, but many people don't realize that most humans also aren't that good, and that it's quite possible that the AI performs better than mediocre humans.

This shouldn't be much of a surprise, we've seen automation replace low skilled labor in a lot of industries. People seem uncomfortable with the possibility that there's actually a lot of low skilled labor in the creative industry that could also be easily replaced.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by spoaceman7777 »

letmevoteplease wrote: post #527
robotresearcher wrote: post #215

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> Long term, you'll never have a coherent movie produced by stringing together a series of textual snippets because, again, that's just impossible. Why snippets? Submit a whole script the way a writer delivers a movie to a director. The (automated) director/DP/editor could maintain internal visual coherence, while the script drives the story coherence.

Shane Carruth (Primer) released interesting scripts for "A Topiary" and "The Modern Ocean" which now have no hope of being filmed. I hope AI can bring them to life someday. If we get tools like ControlNet for video, maybe Carruth could even "direct" them himself.

This exists already actually. Kling AI 1.5. Saw the demo on twitter two days ago, which shows a photo-to-video transformation on an image of three women standing on a beach, and the video transformation simulates the camera rotating, with the women moving naturally. Just involves a segment-anything style selection of the women, and drawing a basic movement vector.

https://x.com/minchoi/status/1862975323433795726

Re: Sora is here

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Post by xvector »

talldayo wrote: post #731
xvector wrote: post #685

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> for some reason Apple seems to manage just fine (with GDPR). Just fine? Like the EU forcing Apple to pay $14B in back taxes after voiding a legal and consensual tax agreement between Apple and Ireland? [1] Or the DMA resulting in an absurd $2B fine related to music streaming, in a transparent attempt to prop up Spotify (the dominant market leader in this space)? Both of these in the last couple of months alone? It'…

> Like the EU forcing Apple to pay $14B in back taxes after voiding a legal and consensual tax agreement between Apple and Ireland? They're back taxes. The EU did right by every single law-abiding business when they forced Apple to remediate their unnatural and unfair arrangement. Not a single naturally competitive business suffered as a result of either action. The EU does not suffer economically by weeding out busi…

A company and a country made a legal, consensual agreement (that the Irish public was also in favor of) and the EU stepped in and "re-interpreted" it to rent-seek.

This is transparent and obvious to everyone outside of the EU. Rent-seeking behavior is the reason companies are less interested in going to the EU.

> The EU does not suffer economically [...]

The EU suffers economically when it falls behind technologically.

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