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Post by washadjeffmad »

azinman2 wrote: post #525

Technically it's amazing that this is possible at all. Yet I don't see how the world is better off for it on net. Aside from eliminating jobs in FX/filming/acting/set design/etc, what do we really gain? Amateur filmmakers can be more powerful? How about we put the same money into a fund for filmmakers to access. The negatives are plentiful, from the mundane reduction of our media to monolithic simulacra to putting th…

I've taken to calling the digital artists I work with "the old masters" in light of the flood of inexpert, low effort AGI content. And they do use generative AI, pretty liberally for concept work and reference, but they know what they're doing and can turn it into great things.

I thought we lost a lot in the transition from analog to digital media, but that doesn't mean there's not a peak to any modern craft, just that there hasn't been a unified or named movement highlighting the best and worst, outside of social media algorithms.

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Post by jjmarr »

JPKab wrote: post #616
azinman2 wrote: post #525

Technically it's amazing that this is possible at all. Yet I don't see how the world is better off for it on net. Aside from eliminating jobs in FX/filming/acting/set design/etc, what do we really gain? Amateur filmmakers can be more powerful? How about we put the same money into a fund for filmmakers to access. The negatives are plentiful, from the mundane reduction of our media to monolithic simulacra to putting th…

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The Ancient Egyptian god Thoth invented writing and presented it to the King:

"This invention, O king," said Thoth, "will make the Egyptians wiser and will improve their memories; for it is an elixir of memory and wisdom that I have discovered."

The king replied:

"This invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them.

"You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise."

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Post by makeitdouble »

belfalas wrote: post #633
makeitdouble wrote: post #626

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a "guns don't kill" argument ? Microsoft Word and Excel aren't generative tools. If Excel added a new headline feature to scan your financial sheets and auto-adjust the numbers to match what's expected when audited, you bet there would be backlash. And regarding scrutiny, morphine is a immensely usefulness tool and it's use surely extremely monitored. On the general point, our society values intent. Tools can…

> And regarding scrutiny, morphine is a immensely usefulness tool and it's use surely extremely monitored. I went to high school in a fairly affluent area and I promise you this is not true. If you have money and know how to talk to your doctor, you can get whatever you want. No questions asked. You can even get prescription methamphetamine - and Walgreens will stock generic for it!

> If you have money and know how to talk to your doctor

That's a decently high bar I think ?

Imagine what you can do if you have money and know how to talk to your local police...

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Post by throwup238 »

dist-epoch wrote: post #329
throwup238 wrote: post #241

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VFX heavy feature for a Disney subsidiary. Each frame is rendered independently of each other - it’s not like video encoding where each frame depends on the previous one, they all have their own scene assembly that can be sent to a server to parallelize rendering. With enough compute, the entire film can be rendered in a few days. (It’s a little more complicated than that but works to a first order approximation) I d…

Are they still using CPUs and not GPUs for rendering? Weren't the rendering algos ported to CUDA yet?

There's plenty of GPU renderers but they face the same challenge as large language models: GPU memory is much more expensive and limited that CPU memory.

A friend recently told me about a complex scene (I think it was a Marvel or Star Wars flick) where they had so much going on in the scene with smoke, fire, and other special effects that they had to wait for a specialized server with 2TB of RAM to be assembled. They only had one such machine so by the time the rest of the movie was done rendering, that one scene still had a month to go.

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Post by dragonwriter »

jsheard wrote: post #139
TeMPOraL wrote: post #127

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> Now expand that to movies and games and you can get why this whole generative-AI bubble is going to pop. What will save it is that, no matter how picky you are as a creator, your audience will never know what exactly was that you dreamed up, so any half-decent approximation will work. In other words, a corollary to your corollary is, "Fortunately, you don't need them to be, because no one cares about low-order bits…

> What will save it is that, no matter how picky you are as a creator, your audience will never know what exactly was that you dreamed up, so any half-decent approximation will work. Part of the problem is the "half decent approximations" tend towards a clichéd average, the audience won't know that the cool cyberpunk cityscape you generated isn't exactly what you had in mind, but they will know that it looks like eve…

> I think the pursuit of fidelity has made the models less creative over time, they make fewer glaring mistakes like giving people six fingers but their output is ever more homogenized and interchangeable.

That may be true of any one model (though I don’t think it really is, either, I think newer image gen models are individually capable of a much wider array of styles than earlier models), but it is pretty clearly not true of the whole range of available models, even if you look at a single model “family” like “SDXL derivatives”.

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Post by msp26 »

tetris11 wrote: post #459
natvert wrote: post #425

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oh, and the output videos that are generated are 5sec clips at 554x960px. this is on a single A6000

It looks good, I'm just wondering why it has no attention from the ML community

It depends on where you're looking haha.

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Post by ben_w »

miltonlost wrote: post #62
yeknoda wrote: post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

The adage "a picture is worth a thousand words" has the nice corollary "A thousand words isn't enough to be precise about an image". Now expand that to movies and games and you can get why this whole generative-AI bubble is going to pop.

> Now expand that to movies and games and you can get why this whole generative-AI bubble is going to pop.

The prior sentence does not imply the conclusion.

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Post by Havoc »

danpalmer wrote: post #604
laweijfmvo wrote: post #19

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Love the callout of them definitely training on his own videos

...which they shouldn't have been able to get? I had thought that it was against the YouTube ToS? (my personal understanding, unrelated to my employer)

AI companies don’t give a shit about ToS. Hell most of the big players actively ignored copyright entirely in bulk. See thousand upon thousands of pirated books in the pile dataset.

And right after that news broke they “fixed” the problem by stopping to disclose training data sources. Thats why early models had papers eg Llama 1 listed this and now nobody does. It’s just an unspoken yet open secret now.

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