I can't wait for the safety features because I know there are those in society that would do bad things. But not me, though. I'd like the unlocked version.
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Funny how all the negative uses to which something like this might be put are regulated or criminalized already - if you try to scam someone, commit libel or defamation, attempt widespread fraud, or any of a million nefarious uses, you'll get fined, sued, or go to jail. Would you want Microsoft to claim they're responsible for the "safety" of what you write with Word? For the legality of the numbers you're punching i…
> Would you want Microsoft to claim they're responsible for the "safety" of what you write with Word? For the legality of the numbers you're punching into an Excel spreadsheet? Would you want Verizon keeping tabs on every word you say, to make sure it's in line with their corporate ethos? Would you want DuPont to check the toxicity of Teflon effluents they're releasing in your neighbourhood? That's insane. It's peopl…
I don't see how that analogy works, especially so as in your attempt to make a point you have DuPont as the explicit actor in the direct harm, and the people drinking the water aren't even involved... like, I do not think anyone disagrees that DuPont is responsible in that one.
I also, to draw a loose parallel, think that Microsoft should be responsible for the security and correctness of their products, with potentially even criminal liability for egregiously negligent bugs that lead to harm for their users: it isn't ever OK to "move fast and break things" with my personal data or bank account. But like, that isn't what we are talking about constantly with limiting the use cases of these AI products.
I mean, do I think OpenAI should be responsible if their AI causes me to poison myself by confidently giving me bad cooking instructions? Yes. Do I think OpenAI should be responsible if their website leaks my information to third parties? Of course. Depending on the magnitude of the issue, I could even see these as criminal offenses for not only the officers of the company but also the engineers who built it.
But, I do not at all believe that, if DuPont sells me something known to be toxic, that it is DuPont's responsibility to go out of their way to technologically prevent me from using it in a way which harms other people: down that road lies dystopian madness. If I buy a baseball bat and choose to go out clubbing for the night, that one's on me. And like, if I become DuPont and make a factory to produce Teflon, and poison the local water with the effluent, the responsibility is with me, not the people who sold me the equipment or the raw materials.
And, likewise, if OpenAI builds an AI which empowers me to knowingly choose to do something bad for the world, that is not their problem: that's mine. They have no responsibility to somehow prevent me from egregiously misusing their product in such a way; and, in fact, I will claim it would be immoral of them to try to do so, as the result requires (conveniently for their bottom line) a centralized dystopian surveillance state.
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> You all understand that Sam, the gaylord of OpenAI, is here to control you, correct?
I see this kind of comment from time to time. do you have any evidence to support this claim, or just paranoia vibes?
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#644Earlier quoted context omitted.
Funny how all the negative uses to which something like this might be put are regulated or criminalized already - if you try to scam someone, commit libel or defamation, attempt widespread fraud, or any of a million nefarious uses, you'll get fined, sued, or go to jail. Would you want Microsoft to claim they're responsible for the "safety" of what you write with Word? For the legality of the numbers you're punching i…
Is this a "guns don't kill" argument ? Microsoft Word and Excel aren't generative tools. If Excel added a new headline feature to scan your financial sheets and auto-adjust the numbers to match what's expected when audited, you bet there would be backlash. And regarding scrutiny, morphine is a immensely usefulness tool and it's use surely extremely monitored. On the general point, our society values intent. Tools can…
> If Excel added a new headline feature to scan your financial sheets and auto-adjust the numbers to match what's expected when audited
- Sounds like what my accountant already does.
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And another thing that irks me: none of these video generators get motion right... Especially anything involving fluid/smoke dynamics, or fast dynamic momements of humans and animals all suffer from the same weird motion artifacts. I can't describe it other than that the fluidity of the movements are completely off. And as all genai video tools I've used are suffering from the same problem, I wonder if this is someho…
What's the point of poking holes in new technology and nitpiking like this? Are you blind to the immense breakthroughs made today and yet you focus what irks you about some tiny detail that might go away after a couple of versions?
At this phase of the game a lot of people are pretty accustomed to the pace of technological innovation in this space, and I think it’s reasonable for people to have a sense of what will/won’t go away in a few versions. Some of Sora’s issues may just require more training, some of these issues are intrinsic to their approach and will not be solvable with their current method.
To that end, it is actually extremely important to nit-pick this stuff. For those of us using these tools, we need to be able to talk shop about which ones are keeping up, which are work like shit in practice, and which ones work but only in certain situations, and which situations those are.
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Yes, because we know a.) that the toxicity exists and b.) how to test for it. There is no definition of a "safe" model without significant controversy nor is there any standardized test for it. There are other reasons why that is a terrible analogy, but this is probably the most important.
It's called Overton window what's politically acceptable. Unlike toxicity, it is fully subjective. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
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Flashbacks to when they were cagey about releasing the GPT models because they could so easily be used for spam, and then just pretended not to see all the spam their model was making when they did release it. If you happen to notice a Twitter spam bot claiming to be "an AI language model created by OpenAI", know that we have conducted an investigation and concluded that no you didn't. Mission accomplished!
> not to see all the spam their model was making when they did release it. All replaced by open source LLMs at this point. Most AI video will be produced by Hunyuan [1], LTX [2], and Mochi [3] in short order. These are the Flux / Stable Diffusion models for generative video. These can all be fine tuned to produce incredible results, and work with the Comfy ecosystem for wildly creative and controllable workflows. I d…
> I don't think it'll be possible for a closed source tool to compete with the open image/video ecosystem.
And I don't think the current status quo of open source models being entirely subsidised by startups and corporations is sustainable, they're all hemorrhaging money and their investors will only have so much patience before they expect returns. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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> not to see all the spam their model was making when they did release it. All replaced by open source LLMs at this point. Most AI video will be produced by Hunyuan [1], LTX [2], and Mochi [3] in short order. These are the Flux / Stable Diffusion models for generative video. These can all be fine tuned to produce incredible results, and work with the Comfy ecosystem for wildly creative and controllable workflows. I d…
> I don't think it'll be possible for a closed source tool to compete with the open image/video ecosystem. And I don't think the current status quo of open source models being entirely subsidised by startups and corporations is sustainable, they're all hemorrhaging money and their investors will only have so much patience before they expect returns. Enjoy it while it lasts.
It's game theory. If you don't have market share for your closed model, you release it as open source and let a community build upon it.
Mochi is better positioned to build tools on top of their community model. They're already thinking about control.
Weights are commodity. Products have value.
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> And regarding scrutiny, morphine is a immensely usefulness tool and it's use surely extremely monitored. I went to high school in a fairly affluent area and I promise you this is not true. If you have money and know how to talk to your doctor, you can get whatever you want. No questions asked. You can even get prescription methamphetamine - and Walgreens will stock generic for it!
Definitely not if you're a white male under 60 years old. They won't even give you opioids after surgery now because you are "high risk" . If you're really rich it may be a different story, but any of the "middle class" good luck. And if you do find a doctor with some compassion, they are probably about to retire.
All I can say is that I am speaking from life experience. It sounds like our experiences have been different.