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Re: Sora is here

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Post by tshaddox »

miohtama wrote: post #437
jedberg wrote: post #414

> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)

Users, not tools, should be judged. It is unlikely anyone is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh.

There are certain tools for which we heavily restrict which users have access to the entire supply chain. That's still about users, I suppose, but it's also about tools.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by 9rx »

nlehuen wrote: post #484
observationist wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how all the negative uses to which something like this might be put are regulated or criminalized already - if you try to scam someone, commit libel or defamation, attempt widespread fraud, or any of a million nefarious uses, you'll get fined, sued, or go to jail. Would you want Microsoft to claim they're responsible for the "safety" of what you write with Word? For the legality of the numbers you're punching i…

You are posting this under a pseudonym. If you did publish something horrific or illegal, it would have been the responsibility of this web site to either censor your content, and/or identify you when asked by authorities. Which do you prefer?

It seems reasonable to work with law enforcement if information provides details about a crime that took place in the real world. I am not sure what purpose censoring as a responsibility would serve? Who cares if someone writes a fictional horrific story? A site like this may choose to remove noise to keep the quality of the signal high, but preference and responsibility are not the same.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by Klonoar »

danielbln wrote: post #520
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #505

Who is the audience for this product? A lot of people like video because it's a way of experience something they currently cannot for one reason or another. People don't want to see arbitrary fake worlds or places on earth that aren't real. Unless it's video game or something. But I see this product being used primarily to trick Facebook users I guess the CGI industry implications are interesting, but look at the wav…

> People don't want to see arbitrary fake worlds or places on earth that aren't real. Isn't there a multi-billion dollar industry in California somewhere that caters exactly to that demand?

> Unless it's video game or something.

The "or something" pretty much covers the gotcha you're trying to use. OP is acknowledging that fantasy media is a thing before going on to their actual point.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by mayukh »

bayindirh wrote: post #515
observationist wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how all the negative uses to which something like this might be put are regulated or criminalized already - if you try to scam someone, commit libel or defamation, attempt widespread fraud, or any of a million nefarious uses, you'll get fined, sued, or go to jail. Would you want Microsoft to claim they're responsible for the "safety" of what you write with Word? For the legality of the numbers you're punching i…

Maybe you should talk with image editor developers, copier/scanner manufacturers and governments about the safeguards they shall implement to prevent counterfeiting money. Because, at the end of the day, counterfeiting money is already illegal. ...and we should not censor tools, and judge people, not the tools they use.

So guns are ok? How about bombs?

Re: Sora is here

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Post by ssl-3 »

raincole wrote: post #501
jedberg wrote: post #414

> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)

The problem isn't whether we should regulate AI. It's whether it's even possible to regulate them without causing significant turmoil and damage to the society. It's not hyperbole. Hunyuan was released before Sora. So regulating Sora does absolutely nothing unless you can regulate Hunyuan, which is 1) open source and 2) made by a China company. How do we expect the US govt to regulate that? Threatening sanction China…

Easy-peasy. Just require all software to be cryptographically signed, with a trusted chain that leads to a government-vetted author, and make that author responsible for the wrongdoings of that software's users.

We're most of the way there with "our" locked-down, walled-garden pocket supercomputers. Just extend that breadth and bring it to the rest of computing using the force of law.

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Can I hear someone saying something like "That will never work!"?

Perhaps we should meditate upon that before we leap into any new age of regulation.

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Post by skydhash »

jimkleiber wrote: post #506
xvector wrote: post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This website is not a tool - not really. Your keyboard is. Censoring AI generation itself is very much like censoring your keyboard or text editor or IDE. Edit: Of course, "literally everything is a tool", yada yada. You get what I mean. There is a meaningful difference between that translate our thoughts to a digital medium (keyboards) and tools that share those thoughts that others.

A website is almost certainly a tool. It has servers and distributes information typed on thousands of keyboards to millions of screens.

HN is the one doing the distribution, not the user. The latter is free to type whatever it wants, but it is not entitled to have HN distributes his words. Just like a publisher do not have to publish a book he doesn’t want to.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by rixed »

bayindirh wrote: post #515
observationist wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how all the negative uses to which something like this might be put are regulated or criminalized already - if you try to scam someone, commit libel or defamation, attempt widespread fraud, or any of a million nefarious uses, you'll get fined, sued, or go to jail. Would you want Microsoft to claim they're responsible for the "safety" of what you write with Word? For the legality of the numbers you're punching i…

Maybe you should talk with image editor developers, copier/scanner manufacturers and governments about the safeguards they shall implement to prevent counterfeiting money. Because, at the end of the day, counterfeiting money is already illegal. ...and we should not censor tools, and judge people, not the tools they use.

Interestingly, you must know that any printing equipment that is good enough to output realistic banknotes are regulated to embed a protection preventing this use case.

Even more interestingly, and maybe that could help understand that even in the most principled argument there should be a limit: molecular 3d printers able to reproduce proteins (yes, this is a thing) are regulated to recognise a design from a database of dangerous pathogens and refuse to print.

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Post by botanical76 »

Aeolun wrote: post #534
miltonlost wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is unlikely no one is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh. And the teens are having a laugh by... creating deepfake nudes of their classmates? The tools are bad, and the toolmakers should feel deep guilt and shame for what they released on the world. Do you not know the story of Nobel and dynam…

Technology is paired with morality. It’s just not the one you want.

Is it? It seems to me to be paired with shareholders' interests, and nothing more.

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Post by sktrdie »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #505

Who is the audience for this product? A lot of people like video because it's a way of experience something they currently cannot for one reason or another. People don't want to see arbitrary fake worlds or places on earth that aren't real. Unless it's video game or something. But I see this product being used primarily to trick Facebook users I guess the CGI industry implications are interesting, but look at the wav…

To me this is what all AI feels like. People want "hard to make things" because they feel special and unordinary. If anybody with a prompt can do it, it ain't gonna sell
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