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Post by raincole »

jedberg wrote: post #414

> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)

The problem isn't whether we should regulate AI. It's whether it's even possible to regulate them without causing significant turmoil and damage to the society.

It's not hyperbole. Hunyuan was released before Sora. So regulating Sora does absolutely nothing unless you can regulate Hunyuan, which is 1) open source and 2) made by a China company.

How do we expect the US govt to regulate that? Threatening sanction China unless they stop doing AI research???

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Post by normalaccess »

dartos wrote: post #388
normalaccess wrote: post #352

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I'm still waiting on the future waves of PTSD from hyper realistic horror games. I can't think of a worse thing to do then hand a kid a VR headset (or game system) and have them play a game that is designed to activate every single fight or flight nerve in the body on a level that is almost indistinguishable from reality. 20 years ago that would have been the plot to a torture porn flick. Even worse than that is when…

That argument can and probably was pointed towards movies with color, movies with audio before that, comics, movies without audio, books, etc. I don’t think that slippery slope holds up. IIRC there’s pretty solid research showing that even children beyond the age of 8 can tell the difference between fiction and reality.

Distinguishing reality from fiction is useful, but it doesn’t shape our desires or define our values. As a culture, we’ve grown colder and more detached. Think of the first Dracula film—audiences were so shaken by a simple eerie face that some reportedly lost control in the theater. Compare that visceral reaction to the apathy we feel toward far more shocking imagery today.

If media didn’t profoundly affect us, how could exposure therapy rewire fears? Why would billions be spent on advertising if it didn’t work? Why would propaganda or education exist if ideas couldn’t be planted and nurtured through storytelling?

Is there any meaningful difference between a sermon from the pulpit and a feature film in the theater? Both are designed to influence, persuade, and reshape our worldview.

As Alan Moore aptly put it: "Art is, like magic, the science of manipulating symbols, words, or images to achieve changes in consciousness."

In my opinion the old adage holds true, you are what you eat. And we will soon be eating unimaginable mountains of artificial content cooked up by dream engines tuned to our every desire and whim.

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Post by pyrale »

observationist wrote: post #461
miohtama wrote: post #437

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Users, not tools, should be judged. It is unlikely anyone is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh.

Funny how all the negative uses to which something like this might be put are regulated or criminalized already - if you try to scam someone, commit libel or defamation, attempt widespread fraud, or any of a million nefarious uses, you'll get fined, sued, or go to jail. Would you want Microsoft to claim they're responsible for the "safety" of what you write with Word? For the legality of the numbers you're punching i…

> Would you want Microsoft to claim they're responsible for the "safety" of what you write with Word? For the legality of the numbers you're punching into an Excel spreadsheet? Would you want Verizon keeping tabs on every word you say, to make sure it's in line with their corporate ethos?

Would you want DuPont to check the toxicity of Teflon effluents they're releasing in your neighbourhood? That's insane. It's people's responsibility to make sure that they drink harmless water. New tech is always amazing.

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Post by xvector »

sebazzz wrote: post #326
vunderba wrote: post #216

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You have to be specific . What's more important to you? - uncensored output (SD + LoRa) - Overall speed of generation (midjourney) - Image quality (probably midjourney, or an SDXL checkpoint + upscaler) - Prompt adherence (flux, DALL-E 3) EDIT: This is strictly around image generation. The main video competitors are Kling, Hailuo, and Runway.

SD does not generate video, does it?

https://stable-diffusion-art.com/animatediff/

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

Who is the audience for this product? A lot of people like video because it's a way of experience something they currently cannot for one reason or another. People don't want to see arbitrary fake worlds or places on earth that aren't real. Unless it's video game or something. But I see this product being used primarily to trick Facebook users

I guess the CGI industry implications are interesting, but look at the waves behind the AI generated man. They don't break so much as dissolving into each other. There's always a tell. These aren't GPU generated versions of reality with thought behind the effects.

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Post by jimkleiber »

xvector wrote: post #495
nlehuen wrote: post #484

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You are posting this under a pseudonym. If you did publish something horrific or illegal, it would have been the responsibility of this web site to either censor your content, and/or identify you when asked by authorities. Which do you prefer?

This website is not a tool - not really. Your keyboard is. Censoring AI generation itself is very much like censoring your keyboard or text editor or IDE. Edit: Of course, "literally everything is a tool", yada yada. You get what I mean. There is a meaningful difference between that translate our thoughts to a digital medium (keyboards) and tools that share those thoughts that others.

A website is almost certainly a tool. It has servers and distributes information typed on thousands of keyboards to millions of screens.

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Post by titzer »

yeknoda wrote: post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

As only a cursory user of said tools (but strong opinions) I felt the immediate desire to get an editable (2D) scene that I could rearrange. For example I often have a specific vantage point or composition in mind, which is fine to start from, but to tweak it and the elements, I'd like to edit it afterwards. To foray into 3D, I'd be wanting to rearrange the characters and direct them, as well as change the vantage point. Can it do that yet?

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Post by thordenmark »

miohtama wrote: post #437
jedberg wrote: post #414

> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)

Users, not tools, should be judged. It is unlikely anyone is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh.

Exactly. You can make anything you want in Photoshop, Word, Excel, Blender, etc. The company isn't held accountable for what the User makes with it.

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Post by jimkleiber »

gus_massa wrote: post #489
8note wrote: post #478

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that works for locally hosted models, but if its as a service, openai is publishing those verboten works to you, the person who requested it. even if it is a local model, if you trained a model to spew nazi propaganda, youre still publishing nazi propaganda to the people who then go use it to make propaganda. its just very summarized propaganda

Does this apply to the spell checker in Office 365 or Google Docs?

Are hunting knives regulated the same way as rocket launchers? Both can be used to kill but at much different intensity levels.
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