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Post by Terr_ »

lacoolj wrote: post #235

A little worried how young children watching these videos may develop inaccurate impressions of physics in nature. For instance, that ladybug looks pretty natural, but there's a little glitch in there that an unwitting observer, who's never seen a ladybug move before, may mistake as being normal. And maybe it is! And maybe it isn't? The sailing ship - are those water movements correct? The sinking of the elephant int…

> A little worried how young children watching these videos may develop inaccurate impressions of physics in nature.

I'm less concerned with physics for children--assuming they get enough time outdoors--and more about adulthood biases and media-literacy.

In particular, a turbocharged version of a problem we already have: People grow up watching movies and become subconsciously taught that flaws of the creation pipeline (e.g. lens flare, depth of field) are signs of "realism" in a general sense.

That manifests in things such as video-games where your human character somehow sees the world with crappy video-cameras for eyes. (Excepting a cyberpunk context, where that would actually make sense.)

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Post by brookst »

cj wrote: post #281
sccomps wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For instance, that ladybug looks pretty natural, but there's a little glitch in there that an unwitting observer, who's never seen a ladybug move before, may mistake as being normal. And maybe it is! And maybe it isn't? Well, none of the existing animation movies follow exact laws of physics.

Take the example to the extreme: In 10 years, I prompt my photo album app "Generate photorealistic video of my mother playing with a ladybug". The juxtaposition of something that looks extremely real (your mother) and something that never happened (ladybug) is something that's hard for the mind to reconcile. The presence of a real thing inadvertently and subconsciously gives confidence to the fake thing also being re…

Wouldn’t this same concern apply to historical fiction in general?

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Post by jstummbillig »

lacoolj wrote: post #235

A little worried how young children watching these videos may develop inaccurate impressions of physics in nature. For instance, that ladybug looks pretty natural, but there's a little glitch in there that an unwitting observer, who's never seen a ladybug move before, may mistake as being normal. And maybe it is! And maybe it isn't? The sailing ship - are those water movements correct? The sinking of the elephant int…

> Hopefully I'm just overthinking it.

I think it's unnecessary to worry about obviously bad stuff in nascent and rapidly developing technology. The people who spent most time with it (the developers) are aware of the obviously bad stuff and will work to improve it.

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Post by simicd »

Stevvo wrote: post #250
petercooper wrote: post #51

I wonder what it is about EU and UK law, in particular, that restricts its availability there. Their FAQs don't mention this. If it's about training models on potentially personal information, the GDPR (EU and UK variants) kicks in, but then that hasn't restricted OpenAI's ability to deploy (Chat)GPT there. The same applies to broader copyright regulations around platforms needing to proactively prevent copyright vio…

It's a capacity related constraint, not a legal one.

Hmm enough capacity for the rest of the world but not EU:

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10250692-sora-supported-...

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Post by gmuslera »

AyyEye wrote: post #271
sdf4j wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up watching Looney Tunes interpretation of physics and turned out just fine.

There's big difference between cartoonishly incorrect and uncanny valley plausibly correct.

Did you see the movie Battleship? Or a good percent of recent and not so recent action movies, at least Matrix could be argued that it was about a virtual reality.

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Post by siliconc0w »

I may be the only one but this kinda breaks my brain in that I notice weird physics anomalies in these but then I start to look for those in non-AI produced video and start to question everything. Hopefully this a short term situation.

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Post by eddieroger »

fooker wrote: post #299
AyyEye wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's big difference between cartoonishly incorrect and uncanny valley plausibly correct.

There's a huge amount of such stuff in movies. Special effects, weapons physics, unrealistic vehicles and planes, or the classic 'hacking'.

People don't watch The Matrix expecting a documentary on how we all got plugged in. If someone generated the referenced ladybug movie for use in a science classroom, that's a problem.

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Post by hmmm-i-wonder »

ulrischa wrote: post #111

It will not be available in the EU for now. I always feel disadvantaged when I read that sentence

I'm not in the EU, but when I see something that is US only, I tend to assume its doing something with privacy/user data/otherwise that is restricted in the EU.

Which means I generally avoid things that are not EU available even if they are available to me. Its not 100% but its a fairly decent measure of how much companies care about users to ensure they meet EU privacy laws from the start, vs if they provide some limited version or delayed version to the EU.

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Post by brookst »

zoover2020 wrote: post #316
fooker wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a huge amount of such stuff in movies. Special effects, weapons physics, unrealistic vehicles and planes, or the classic 'hacking'.

Yet, in a movie setting it's clear something is a special effect or alike which is not the case for GenAI. Massive underestimation of the potential impact in this thread, scary.

Maybe. Or maybe some people massively underestimate our ability to cope with fiction and new media types.

I am sure that there were people decrying radio for all these same reasons (“how will the children know that the voices aren’t people in the same room?”)

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