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Post by programd »

mikepurvis wrote: post #189
yeknoda wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

something like a white paper with a mood board, color scheme, and concept art as the input might work. This could be sent into an LLM "expander" that increases the words and speficity. Then multiple reviews to tap things in the right direction.

I expect this kind of thing is actually how it's going to work longer term, where AI is a copilot to a human artist. The human artist does storyboarding, sketching in backdrops and character poses in keyframes, and then the AI steps in and "paints" the details over top of it, perhaps based on some pre-training about what the characters and settings are so that there's consistency throughout a given work. The real tri…

We will shortly have much better tweaking tools which work not only on images and video but concepts like what aspects a character should exhibit. See for example the presentation from Shapeshift Labs.

https://www.shapeshift.ink/

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Post by mrandish »

miltonlost wrote: post #62
yeknoda wrote: post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

The adage "a picture is worth a thousand words" has the nice corollary "A thousand words isn't enough to be precise about an image". Now expand that to movies and games and you can get why this whole generative-AI bubble is going to pop.

I agree that people who want any meaningful precision in their visual results will inevitably be disappointed.

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Post by halyconWays »

pen2l wrote: post #80

Every day that passes I grow fonder of Google's decision to delay or otherwise keep a lot of this under the wraps. The other day I was scrolling down on YouTube shorts and a couple videos invoked an uncanny valley response from me (I think it was a clip of an unrealistically large snake covering some hut) which was somehow fascinating and strange and captivating, and then scrolling down a few more, again I saw someth…

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Post by quenix »

imiric wrote: post #245
quenix wrote: post #199

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The past few years' innovation in AI has roughly been split into two camps for me. LLMs -- Awesome and useful. Disruptive, and somewhat dangerous, but probably more good than harm if we do it right. 'Generative art' (i.e. music generation, image generation, video generation) -- Why? Just why? The 'art' is always good enough to trick most humans at a glance but clearly fake, plastic, and soulless when you look a bit c…

I don't understand why you see a distinction between models that generate text, and those that generate images, video or audio. They're all digital formats, and the technology itself is fairly agnostic about what it's actually generating. Can't text also be considered art? There's as much art in poetry, lyrics, novels, scripts, etc. as in other forms of media. The thing is that the generative tech is out of the bag,…

Simple: I am equally offput when LLMs are used for generating poetry, lyrics, novels, scripts, etc. I don't like it when low-effort generated slop is passed off as art.

I just think that LLMs have genuine use for non-artistic things, which is why I said it's dangerous but may be useful if we play our cards right.

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Post by pritambarhate »

cryptozeus wrote: post #182

Raises billion dollar, claims of agi by 2025, cannot handle new user sign up traffic.

That’s because in this case scaling to big traffic needs more hardware which is very expensive and even if you have money the manufacturers may not have the capacity you need.

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Post by gruntbuggly »

lacoolj wrote: post #235

A little worried how young children watching these videos may develop inaccurate impressions of physics in nature. For instance, that ladybug looks pretty natural, but there's a little glitch in there that an unwitting observer, who's never seen a ladybug move before, may mistake as being normal. And maybe it is! And maybe it isn't? The sailing ship - are those water movements correct? The sinking of the elephant int…

Fair! I watched a lot of Superman as a kid and I killed myself jumping off a building

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Post by dagmx »

lelandfe wrote: post #285
pen2l wrote: post #80

Every day that passes I grow fonder of Google's decision to delay or otherwise keep a lot of this under the wraps. The other day I was scrolling down on YouTube shorts and a couple videos invoked an uncanny valley response from me (I think it was a clip of an unrealistically large snake covering some hut) which was somehow fascinating and strange and captivating, and then scrolling down a few more, again I saw someth…

I saw my first AI video that completely fooled commenters: https://imgur.com/a/cbjVKMU This was not marked as AI-generated and commenters were in awe at this fuzzy train, missing the "AIGC" signs. I'm quite nervous for the future.

Most people have terrible eyes for distinguishing content.

I’ve worked in CG for many years and despite the online nerd fests that decry CG imagery in films, 99% of those people can’t tell what’s CG or not unless it’s incredibly obvious.

It’s the same for GenAI, though I think there are more tells. Still, most people cannot tell reality from fiction. If you just tell them it’s real, they’ll most likely believe it.

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Post by tgv »

topaz0 wrote: post #184

Gentle reminder that it's important to boycott this kind of thing.

This, and similar tools, make the world a worse place, just so a handful can get the big bucks. This is not technological progress, it's greed. Ethics is a dirty word.

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Post by fooker »

AyyEye wrote: post #271
sdf4j wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up watching Looney Tunes interpretation of physics and turned out just fine.

There's big difference between cartoonishly incorrect and uncanny valley plausibly correct.

There's a huge amount of such stuff in movies.

Special effects, weapons physics, unrealistic vehicles and planes, or the classic 'hacking'.

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Post by mojuba »

quenix wrote: post #212
pen2l wrote: post #80

Every day that passes I grow fonder of Google's decision to delay or otherwise keep a lot of this under the wraps. The other day I was scrolling down on YouTube shorts and a couple videos invoked an uncanny valley response from me (I think it was a clip of an unrealistically large snake covering some hut) which was somehow fascinating and strange and captivating, and then scrolling down a few more, again I saw someth…

It saddens me. Innovations in AI 'art' generation (music, audio, photo) have been a net negative to society and are already actively harming the Internet and our media sphere. Like I said in another comment, LLMs are cool and useful, but who in the hell asked for AI art? It's good enough to fool people and break the fragile trust relationship we had with online content, but is also extremely shit and carries no meani…

I think AI "art" can be as useful as the text generators, i.e. only within certain limits of dull and stupid stuff that needs to exist but has little to no value.

For example, you need to generate a landing page for your boring company: text, images, videos and the overall design (as well as code!) can be and should be generated because... who cares about your boring company's landing page, right?

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