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Post by wumeow »

huehehue wrote: post #225
quenix wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The past few years' innovation in AI has roughly been split into two camps for me. LLMs -- Awesome and useful. Disruptive, and somewhat dangerous, but probably more good than harm if we do it right. 'Generative art' (i.e. music generation, image generation, video generation) -- Why? Just why? The 'art' is always good enough to trick most humans at a glance but clearly fake, plastic, and soulless when you look a bit c…

There's this FinTech ad on the NYC subway right now. I can't remember the company, but the entire ad is just a picture of a guitar and some text. Anyway, the guitar is AI generated, and it's really bad. There are 5 strings, which morph into 6 at the headstock. There's a trem bar jammed under the pickguard, somehow. There's a randomly placed blob on the guitar that is supposed to be a knob/button, but clearly is not.…

Reminds me of the new Coca Cola Christmas ad which is equally off-putting.

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Post by l33tbro »

quenix wrote: post #199
sjm wrote: post #162

Anyone else find this stuff extremely distasteful? "Disrupting" creativity and art feels like it goes against our humanity.

The past few years' innovation in AI has roughly been split into two camps for me. LLMs -- Awesome and useful. Disruptive, and somewhat dangerous, but probably more good than harm if we do it right. 'Generative art' (i.e. music generation, image generation, video generation) -- Why? Just why? The 'art' is always good enough to trick most humans at a glance but clearly fake, plastic, and soulless when you look a bit c…

Wish it was just generative AI for me.

You don't have the same paranoia with LLM? So often I find myself getting a third of the way into reading an article or blog post and think: "wait a minute...".

LLM tone is so specific and unrealistic that it completely disengages me as a reader.

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Post by sccomps »

lacoolj wrote: post #235

A little worried how young children watching these videos may develop inaccurate impressions of physics in nature. For instance, that ladybug looks pretty natural, but there's a little glitch in there that an unwitting observer, who's never seen a ladybug move before, may mistake as being normal. And maybe it is! And maybe it isn't? The sailing ship - are those water movements correct? The sinking of the elephant int…

> For instance, that ladybug looks pretty natural, but there's a little glitch in there that an unwitting observer, who's never seen a ladybug move before, may mistake as being normal. And maybe it is! And maybe it isn't?

Well, none of the existing animation movies follow exact laws of physics.

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Post by sdf4j »

lacoolj wrote: post #235

A little worried how young children watching these videos may develop inaccurate impressions of physics in nature. For instance, that ladybug looks pretty natural, but there's a little glitch in there that an unwitting observer, who's never seen a ladybug move before, may mistake as being normal. And maybe it is! And maybe it isn't? The sailing ship - are those water movements correct? The sinking of the elephant int…

I grew up watching Looney Tunes interpretation of physics and turned out just fine.

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Post by sdenton4 »

lacoolj wrote: post #235

A little worried how young children watching these videos may develop inaccurate impressions of physics in nature. For instance, that ladybug looks pretty natural, but there's a little glitch in there that an unwitting observer, who's never seen a ladybug move before, may mistake as being normal. And maybe it is! And maybe it isn't? The sailing ship - are those water movements correct? The sinking of the elephant int…

Between omnipresent cgi in movies and tv, animation, and video game physics (all of which are human-coded approximations of real physics, often intentionally distorted for various reasons), that ship has long since sailed.

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Post by wongarsu »

randomcatuser wrote: post #195
jsheard wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What will save it is that, no matter how picky you are as a creator, your audience will never know what exactly was that you dreamed up, so any half-decent approximation will work. Part of the problem is the "half decent approximations" tend towards a clichéd average, the audience won't know that the cool cyberpunk cityscape you generated isn't exactly what you had in mind, but they will know that it looks like eve…

a somewhat counterintuitive argument is this: AI models will make the overall creative landscape more diverse and interesting, ie, less "average"! Imagine the space of ideas as a circle, with stuff in the middle being more easy to reach (the "cliched average"). Previously, traversing the circle was incredibly hard - we had to use tools like DeviantArt, Instragram, etc to agglomerate the diverse tastes of artists, hop…

And as AI oversaturates the cliched average, creators will have to get further and further away from the average to differentiate themselves. If you pour a lot of work into your creation you want to make it clear that it isn't some cliched AI drivel.

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Post by abenga »

rtsil wrote: post #161
throw4321 wrote: post #89

One of the problems with a 10-month preannouncement is that the competition is ready to trash the actual announcement. Half an hour in, I already see half a dozen barely-concealed posts ranging from downplays to over-demands to non-user criticism.

I think that's just the typical HN cynicism.

I don't think you can reduce it to this. Even on the showcase videos on the home page I can see weird artifacts, like the red car in the video of the guy walking through a market. The car is driving on a pedestrian walkway (through pedestrians), and just suddenly disappears from one frame to another.

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Post by tetris11 »

dartos wrote: post #154

The most impressive part is the temporal consistency in the demo videos. He flower one is the best looking.

That cat skateboarding off the path cut out just when it was getting interesting.

Many of these likely fall apart just split seconds after

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Post by tim333 »

sjm wrote: post #162

Anyone else find this stuff extremely distasteful? "Disrupting" creativity and art feels like it goes against our humanity.

There's some of that but it produces some cool stuff too. I mean you have these new virtual worlds like this that didn't exist before https://youtu.be/y_4Kv_Xy7vs?t=13

The video there is kind of a combination of human design and AI which produces something beyond that which either would come up with on their own.

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Post by FergusArgyll »

xena wrote: post #23
pearjuice wrote: post #14

Though I like the novelty of AI generated content, it kind of sucks dead internet theory is becoming more and more prevalent. YouTube (and all of the web) is already being spammed with AI generated slop and "better" video/text/audio models only make this worse. At some point we will cross the threshold of "real" and "generated" content being posted on the web and there's no stopping that.

My hope was that AI would make it easier for people to create new things that haven't been done before, but my fear was that it would just be an endless slop machine. We're living in the endless slop machine timeline and even genuine attempts to make something artistic end up just coming off as more slop. I love this timeline.

It might be true for "Creators" etc. but there were things that I always wanted paintings of but I have no talent, time, tools or anything really.

When I first got access to dalle (in '22) the first thing I tried was to get an impressionist style painting of the way I always imagined Bob Dylan's 'Mr. Tambourine Man' I regenerated it multiple times and I got something I was very happy with! I didn't put it on social media, didn't try to make money off it, it's for me .

If you enjoy "art" (nice pictures, paintings, videos now I guess) You can create it yourself! I think people are missing that aspect of it, use it to make yourself happy, make pictures you want to look at!

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