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Re: Secrets of success from Google co-founder Larry Page

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Post by medianama »

11ren wrote: post #19

# You don't want to be Tesla. He was one of the greatest inventors, but it's a sad, sad story. He couldn't commercialise anything, he could barely fund his own research. You'd want to be more like Edison. If you invent something, that doesn't necessarily help anybody. You've got to actually get it into the world; you've got to produce, make money doing it so you can fund it. The other Edison vs Tesla difference that…

I'd rather be Westinghouse. He didn't invent much but, bought the right's to Tesla's invention, successfully commercialized those and ultimately prevailed over Edison..

Interesting question - How do you look at yourself? Scientist -> Engineer -> Entrepreneur

Re: Secrets of success from Google co-founder Larry Page

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Post by [deleted] »

mhartl wrote: post #30
11ren wrote: post #19

# You don't want to be Tesla. He was one of the greatest inventors, but it's a sad, sad story. He couldn't commercialise anything, he could barely fund his own research. You'd want to be more like Edison. If you invent something, that doesn't necessarily help anybody. You've got to actually get it into the world; you've got to produce, make money doing it so you can fund it. The other Edison vs Tesla difference that…

It seems to me the ideal would be a combination of Edison and Tesla. There's no reason one person couldn't have both Edison's work capacity and Tesla's theoretical genius. Certainly many of the best scientists qualify: Newton, for example, or Euler. Euler was incredibly prolific---his lifetime output fills shelf upon shelf---and yet he was undeniably a mathematical genius as well. In music, J.S. Bach also fits the mo…

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Re: Secrets of success from Google co-founder Larry Page

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Post by [deleted] »

medianama wrote: post #31
11ren wrote: post #19

# You don't want to be Tesla. He was one of the greatest inventors, but it's a sad, sad story. He couldn't commercialise anything, he could barely fund his own research. You'd want to be more like Edison. If you invent something, that doesn't necessarily help anybody. You've got to actually get it into the world; you've got to produce, make money doing it so you can fund it. The other Edison vs Tesla difference that…

I'd rather be Westinghouse. He didn't invent much but, bought the right's to Tesla's invention, successfully commercialized those and ultimately prevailed over Edison.. Interesting question - How do you look at yourself? Scientist -> Engineer -> Entrepreneur

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Re: Secrets of success from Google co-founder Larry Page

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Post by pg »

Jasber wrote: post #17

I'm all for making reading easier on us by condensing it. But this article takes their (rediff.com) entire post, posts it in full and never gives them credit. Why isn't this plagiarism?

Why isn't this plagiarism?

Plagiarism is when you try to pass off someone else's work as your own.

I think what you really mean is "Why isn't this copyright violation?" The answer to that is that I did not in fact "take their entire post and post it in full." (Did you even compare the articles?) I cut out everything rediff wrote, leaving only Larry Page's quotes. Arguably they could claim they have a copyright on the selection and ordering of the quotes, but that is a pretty weak claim.

Re: Secrets of success from Google co-founder Larry Page

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Post by Harkins »

dcurtis wrote: post #16
Harkins wrote: post #15

# The 'be good' concept also comes up when we design our products. ... We will make it possible for you to get your e-mail out of Gmail if you ever want to. I'd like to see this applied to Google Analytics, which is nice but has no way to export any data. I'd also like a way to delete all the junk Google has on me like logs of my searches. I guess I'd believe that "be good" was some kind of important principle to Goo…

You can export data from Google Analytics pretty easily to CSV or excel.

No. You can export reports, but you can't export the hit data itself. If there's a report with the columns ip address, session id, timestamp, url visited, referer, etc. I'll be happily proved wrong.

http://www.google.com/support/analytics/bin/answer.py?hl=en&...

Re: Secrets of success from Google co-founder Larry Page

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Post by Jasber »

pg wrote: post #34
Jasber wrote: post #17

I'm all for making reading easier on us by condensing it. But this article takes their (rediff.com) entire post, posts it in full and never gives them credit. Why isn't this plagiarism?

Why isn't this plagiarism? Plagiarism is when you try to pass off someone else's work as your own. I think what you really mean is "Why isn't this copyright violation?" The answer to that is that I did not in fact "take their entire post and post it in full." (Did you even compare the articles?) I cut out everything rediff wrote, leaving only Larry Page's quotes. Arguably they could claim they have a copyright on the…

While rediff may not have a claim on the copyright, they did go through the effort of compiling the quotes. At the very least, link back as a sign of respect for someone else's hard work.

Re: Secrets of success from Google co-founder Larry Page

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Post by [deleted] »

Jasber wrote: post #37
pg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why isn't this plagiarism? Plagiarism is when you try to pass off someone else's work as your own. I think what you really mean is "Why isn't this copyright violation?" The answer to that is that I did not in fact "take their entire post and post it in full." (Did you even compare the articles?) I cut out everything rediff wrote, leaving only Larry Page's quotes. Arguably they could claim they have a copyright on the…

While rediff may not have a claim on the copyright, they did go through the effort of compiling the quotes. At the very least, link back as a sign of respect for someone else's hard work.

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Re: Secrets of success from Google co-founder Larry Page

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Post by Xichekolas »

anewaccountname wrote: post #27
Jasber wrote: post #17

I'm all for making reading easier on us by condensing it. But this article takes their (rediff.com) entire post, posts it in full and never gives them credit. Why isn't this plagiarism?

This is simple copyright infringement, which is distinct from plagiarism. However, I have another complaint. Why a plain text file? I don't want to have to download some bloated reader just to read this thing. Can someone print to pdf and upload it to something sensible like scribd?

Why do you need a 'bloated reader' to read a text file?

Does your browser not render plain text?

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