UnitedHealth's Effort to Deny Coverage for a Patient's Care (2023)

Post by RunningDroid » Sun, Dec 08, 2024, 6:31 PM UTC

paulgb wrote: post #55

griomnib wrote: post #35

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There’s an incredibly strong argument this particular person likely killed tens of thousand of people by his decisions to deny and delay care. This was not an employee carrying out orders from corporate, it’s the guy who is directly responsible for these deaths. This CEO is as much a mass murder as any other tyrant who commanded soldiers to commit atrocities. That will be part of the defense argument presented to the…

> That will be part of the defense argument presented to the jury. That evidence wouldn't be admitted. There's no “the guy deserved it” defense for murder, it's always illegal to kill people.

Post by polalavik » Sun, Dec 08, 2024, 6:31 PM UTC

whatever1 wrote: post #59

I really don’t get why everyone involved is allowed to have hidden prices. It looks like a highway robbery. I had a relative visiting from Europe and they had to go to the urgent care for some blood and urine tests and consultation. They received a $2,500 bill! My relative told the hospital that they are leaving the country and offered to pay $250 or good luck collecting from abroad. Then something magical happened.…

Post by griomnib » Sun, Dec 08, 2024, 6:33 PM UTC

paulgb wrote: post #55

griomnib wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s an incredibly strong argument this particular person likely killed tens of thousand of people by his decisions to deny and delay care. This was not an employee carrying out orders from corporate, it’s the guy who is directly responsible for these deaths. This CEO is as much a mass murder as any other tyrant who commanded soldiers to commit atrocities. That will be part of the defense argument presented to the…

> That will be part of the defense argument presented to the jury. That evidence wouldn't be admitted. There's no “the guy deserved it” defense for murder, it's always illegal to kill people.

Post by croissants » Sun, Dec 08, 2024, 6:33 PM UTC

_yb2s wrote: post #57

croissants wrote: post #34

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Do you have evidence for "most new treatment research is government funded (and by governments of other countries)"? My understanding is that the opposite is true: big pharmaceutical companies foot most of the bill for developing new drugs, then US-based insurers pay high costs, and most "other countries" enjoy much lower prices because US healthcare is effectively subsidizing their drug prices.

It’s both working together- the basic research, including identifying targets and new chemistry and in some cases even the drugs themselves are mostly academia. However, clinical trials, and drug development that iterates the chemical structure itself and delivery approaches is very expensive, and almost entirely done by industry. Often the academics are working collaboratively with pharmaceutical- and can have eithe…

Post by ANewFormation » Sun, Dec 08, 2024, 6:34 PM UTC

Dalewyn wrote: post #11

ConspiracyFact wrote: post #2

Horrifying. But also horrifying that treatment costs so much. Supposedly we have to let drug companies charge extravagant prices because it costs so much to discover new treatments, but there has to be a great deal of inefficiency there. Are we getting a 99% solution for $X when we could be getting a 95% solution for $X/10?

>But also horrifying that treatment costs so much. My mother underwent chemotherapy for her cancer. According to the statements from her insurance company, each round of chemotherapy cost as much as a new luxury car before hospital vs. insurance negotiations. Yeah. The value of health insurance isn't just the offloading of expenses, it's also their power to tell hospitals to get fucking bent with ludicrous bills.