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Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Post by aguaviva »

wiseowise wrote: post #215
TheAlchemist wrote: post #175

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Same goes for Russia, and is all seems pretty relevant. The article seem to indicate that it's much more sustainable for the West than for Russia.

It’s not sustainable for Ukraine.

It's not sustainable for -either- side.

Both sides are aching (very badly) for this thing to be over, or at least taken off the stove.

One can quibble further as to the details -- which are a matter of metrics, wildcards, politics. And (as recent events have shown) there are still many cards to be played.

But that's the fundamental equation we need to keep in mind.

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Post by mongol »

mahirsaid wrote: post #390
TheAlchemist wrote: post #14

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That's what I'm thinking too. But if that's true, it means Ukraine has a real fighting chance to put them on their knees. In any case, this seems like a major loss for Russia.

This is the result of allies helping Ukraine I don’t think they have any interest in Ukraine, but the alternative is Russia seizing Ukraine. This would have been possible 6 months after the war started. Remember that more than half of Ukrainians are not technically supporting zelensky. This conflict like many others is over complicated yet it's simplified in the west.

What do you mean with not technically supporting Zelensky? Do they not want to resist Russia like he does? Or do they prefer someone else to do it instead?

Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Post by mahirsaid »

philistine wrote: post #344
hollerith wrote: post #245

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Assad's fall doesn't signify much because we should expect Moscow to prioritize its own backyard.

Syria is Russia's backyard! It is not culturally close like Ukraine, but Syria has been an ally of the Soviet Union and Russia for decades through the Assad family. Nevertheless, Russia clearly chose to stop their support; the Assad regime was cooked.

Things are not based on history anymore. It atleast as much as we might think. Russia just took a trip to Afghanistan to try build relations and encoporate a way to utilize Afghanistan. Historically this would make no sense since they have a bad history between each other out of all the countries in the region Afghanistan was the own Russia couldn't possess or influence in the past. That being said Russian lost many battles against Afghanistan against the very same government today "taliban".

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Post by aguaviva »

fooker wrote: post #243
postingawayonhn wrote: post #219

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I partly agree, in that by drip feeding Ukraine supplies we have given Russia time to build up their production rates. And my earlier comment was disputing the idea that drip feeing the supplies was some kind of intentional strategy. With regards to the broader claim that Russian production is outpacing that of the west. Yes, with artillery shells that's probably true, though we are continuing to ramp production. The…

They have destroyed the rest of their industrial capacity and economy in the process, an outcome very much desired by US and friends.

It seems that something like "they've trashed their economy" would have been a better choice of words.

But -- "destroyed"? What's that supposed to mean? What purpose is served by the use of such hyperbolic language?

Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Post by mahirsaid »

Biggest strategy for any government is not to resolve a conflict immediate but to post pone a the conflict for a better time. "Well come up with a solution later but for now slow down or stop". Conflict is essential for some of these countries it's part of how they change and form to something else. We can relate in the U.S. Becuase we have a different history and different threats. But if history tells us anything we've already had our conflicts and civil wars that brought us to today. As you can see the country Is yet again confused with what it wants. Regulations are crippling companies and the very sectors that made America what it is or used to be. So we have our fair share of problems but for now we'll deal with It

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Post by scott_w »

mahirsaid wrote: post #390
TheAlchemist wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what I'm thinking too. But if that's true, it means Ukraine has a real fighting chance to put them on their knees. In any case, this seems like a major loss for Russia.

This is the result of allies helping Ukraine I don’t think they have any interest in Ukraine, but the alternative is Russia seizing Ukraine. This would have been possible 6 months after the war started. Remember that more than half of Ukrainians are not technically supporting zelensky. This conflict like many others is over complicated yet it's simplified in the west.

> Remember that more than half of Ukrainians are not technically supporting zelensky.

This is normal in any political system, even during times of war. The UK during WWII still had many Labour MPs, meaning a significant portion of the British electorate did NOT support Churchill by definition. However, most people were united in their opposition to the Nazis.

That didn’t stop them voting out Churchill the first chance they got once the war was over.

I don’t think anyone is seriously naive enough to think the entirety of Ukraine loves Zelenskyy without reservation, however its clear that the Ukrainian people have no desire to let the Russians expand their campaign of torture, rape and murder throughout the country.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

GordonS wrote: post #269
flohofwoe wrote: post #193

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> but it's hard to comprehend why Russia was unable to do anything at all Did you miss that Russia has to import cannon fodder, artillery grenades and missiles from North Korea and attack drones from Iran? I don't think they have any resources to spare in Syria at the moment.

There hasn't been a single scrap of evidence to support the claims of Russia using North Korean... there have however been several cases of the media getting caught lying about it, doctoring photos etc: https://x.com/AXChristoforou/status/1864324321960972298?t=4H... https://x.com/BowesChay/status/1864447294474457245?t=yK0OU-9... The North Korean claims appear to be complete lies, designed to make Russia look bad.

The Daily Mail? You clearly have no experience with Western news. Nobody takes the Daily Mail seriously. They don't even have copy editors.

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Post by scott_w »

oldpersonintx wrote: post #19
TheAlchemist wrote: post #14

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That's what I'm thinking too. But if that's true, it means Ukraine has a real fighting chance to put them on their knees. In any case, this seems like a major loss for Russia.

Ukraine is also exhausted its time for America to stop pushing Ukrainians into the firing line

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Post by aguaviva »

jajko wrote: post #199
lukan wrote: post #47

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Have you heard of a thing called, Islamic State? They had a thing for creative murder. Aside from the usual behadings, they came up with things like pushing homosexuals from buildings in the public and alike. They are also now free again.

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Plenty of stuff on internet.

There's plenty of "stuff on internet" about piles of beheaded babies on Oct 7, too.

Links to reasonably trustable reports needed, please. Otherwise what you're saying is just more "stuff".

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