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How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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This is the one thing that I actually thought cryptocurrency would help - getting small adhoc payments out from under the bootheel of Mastercard and Visa, and especially for international transfers that cross between, say, the MC/Visa duopoly regions into other ones like the Asian ecosystems. But instead it's slow, inconsistent, inconvenient, balkanised, dripping with scams, criminals and bad actors and still involve…

Fully agree. We should just settle on a single internet currency thats fast, interoperable and not a market for speculation. Hmm perhaps we don’t need more types of currency? Perhaps it’s better to push deep integration of modern banking changes like psd2, psd3 and others. Across the whole internet. So everyone can just do regular payments with their own bank in a safe and protected way, and hopefully with less inter…

Yes, indeed. The thing is MasterCard, Visa and all their foreign counterparts actually do provide a lot of value in keeping the ecosystem relatively safe for normal people. When I see a contactless touch point in a shop, I know it's almost certainly legit. If they didn't, people would just use cash.

So there's probably always going to be some kind of transfer or network access fee. It's just that it very much not a competitive market place.

Opening up the system to competition, but still within a regulatory framework that prevents it degenerating into a Wild West hotbed of scamming does seem like a good way to achieve some of that. Certainly, the vaunted "free market" should be ensuring that the price of a transaction is pretty close to the cost of providing it, and it clearly is not currently.

The problem, or feature, depending on who you ask, is that basically only governments can provide that kind of regulation. Which will always then inject a level of geopolitics into things like which countries you're allowed to buy your blog posts from. And for governments who listen to business over citizens also leads to capture and subversion of the system.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

#52

This is the one thing that I actually thought cryptocurrency would help - getting small adhoc payments out from under the bootheel of Mastercard and Visa, and especially for international transfers that cross between, say, the MC/Visa duopoly regions into other ones like the Asian ecosystems. But instead it's slow, inconsistent, inconvenient, balkanised, dripping with scams, criminals and bad actors and still involve…

I have a friend claiming bitcoin is a "store of value, tool for the de-banked (politically right), hedge against the rapidly inflating dollar, more valuable than gold" (paraphrasing). He further claims that "bitcoin can't be faked like 'uninspected' gold reserves" that are supposedly just "painted iron ingots".

I want to scream. This is a speculative investment with more bad actors involved than the SEC has investigated throughout its entire history.

I hate these bitcoin boom cycles. It's like all the lessons learned immediately get forgotten.

Him: "But this time is different. Last time the Democrats were holding it back. Trump is going to make a strategic crypto reserve. Trump and his allies are all pro-crypto. The Democratic party was trying to regulate it away."

I guess this will be the next lesson.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they block legitimate ads on creator websites and then put their own ads in front and offer creators a cut. It's an outright racket and scam.

It’s so funny how the Brave haters will constantly outright lie just to get their point. > Do Brave Ads replace ads on websites? What do Brave Ads look like? > No, Brave Ads do not replace the ads that the Brave Browser blocks on web pages (like banner ads). You can find a list of Brave’s ad formats here. > What do Brave Ads look like? > You can choose which ones you’d like to see: images on the new tab page, cards i…

I look at Brave as another business looking to take their cut as a middleman between users and creators. It's an ad network that takes the 30% cut like Apple does to apps making over $1M.

I would much rather that creators who want to make money decide what they want to sell, and how they want to sell it. The web doesn't need a crypto tip jar layer.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Seems fairly simple to have a smart contract do a DNS validation to unlock funds. For example, someone sends to a contract "$1 to example.com". Then the URL owner publishes either a TXT file or DNS record that has a list of crypto wallet addresses. Contract then forwards the payments. You could even make the keys just the ISO codes for each currency.

It's as good of a proof for TLS certs, but it's susceptible to DNS hijacking, etc. Make the contract immutable to meet tornado.cash standard. There are already oracles for DNS lookups so this contract might already exist somewhere.

Add in a couple of features:

1. Allow tracking per domain so publishers can know that there is a demand to set it up on their end.

2. Allow refunds in case the publisher never opens it up.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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post #52

This is the one thing that I actually thought cryptocurrency would help - getting small adhoc payments out from under the bootheel of Mastercard and Visa, and especially for international transfers that cross between, say, the MC/Visa duopoly regions into other ones like the Asian ecosystems. But instead it's slow, inconsistent, inconvenient, balkanised, dripping with scams, criminals and bad actors and still involve…

I have a friend claiming bitcoin is a "store of value, tool for the de-banked (politically right), hedge against the rapidly inflating dollar, more valuable than gold" (paraphrasing). He further claims that "bitcoin can't be faked like 'uninspected' gold reserves" that are supposedly just "painted iron ingots". I want to scream. This is a speculative investment with more bad actors involved than the SEC has investiga…

Notice he isn't claiming its a currency, even if we take all the claims at face value. Apparently he is not alone though as the value has climbed 33% since the election. I had not even heard of this fantasy of a TrUmP crypto boom.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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post #52

This is the one thing that I actually thought cryptocurrency would help - getting small adhoc payments out from under the bootheel of Mastercard and Visa, and especially for international transfers that cross between, say, the MC/Visa duopoly regions into other ones like the Asian ecosystems. But instead it's slow, inconsistent, inconvenient, balkanised, dripping with scams, criminals and bad actors and still involve…

I have a friend claiming bitcoin is a "store of value, tool for the de-banked (politically right), hedge against the rapidly inflating dollar, more valuable than gold" (paraphrasing). He further claims that "bitcoin can't be faked like 'uninspected' gold reserves" that are supposedly just "painted iron ingots". I want to scream. This is a speculative investment with more bad actors involved than the SEC has investiga…

He might be right in some ways about Bitcoin but he fails to take into account that the price of Bitcoin may be inflated by Tether, a stable coin traded in large numbers for Bitcoin. New tether is minted by the billions, and has questionable auditing and oversight, and is used to buy Bitcoin on the open market.

There a couple of ways that the price of Bitcoin could drop precipitously and the unraveling of Tether is one of them.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

#57
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s so funny how the Brave haters will constantly outright lie just to get their point. > Do Brave Ads replace ads on websites? What do Brave Ads look like? > No, Brave Ads do not replace the ads that the Brave Browser blocks on web pages (like banner ads). You can find a list of Brave’s ad formats here. > What do Brave Ads look like? > You can choose which ones you’d like to see: images on the new tab page, cards i…

I don't hate Brave, but blocking legitimate ads and then putting in their own ads is a racket. > Creators also don’t get “a” cut. Brave gives 70% of earnings on ads to users, and those can then decide how much they reward to the creators of whatever content they consume. Ie, creators are offered a cut - in a roundabout way.

It is not a racket when the website owners are mass-injecting trackers and security risks into my browser. Some egregious pages have 700+ (!!) ad partners.

Hell, it is the opposite of a racket because other adblockers / adblocking people pay zilch. That is the racket. Any BAT user is a +70% gain.

I’ll pay you. I won’t compromise my devices for you.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

#58
post #13

Isn't this the problem Brave browser set out to solve? It's just that they did it with cryptocurrency so everyone shunned it. https://brave.com/brave-rewards/

Cryptocurrency might have been ok, but this is their own custom currency. In other words, they’re paying people in scrip. They shouldn’t be surprised that people don’t like that.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

#59
post #41

We’re three decades in with the web and it’s pretty clear that voluntary payment nudges don’t work. Most people won’t pay for free content after they’ve consumed it. Humans need an extra incentive to pay for free content. This is why so many sponsorship platforms are effectively subscription models with additional exclusive content or early access. And for that to work, you need more than just a payment button, you n…

I don’t think payment friction has been reduced nearly enough to make that statement. If it was possible to click a button to instantly send ten cents to the creator of an article, and people still didn’t do it, then we could conclude that it doesn’t work. But we’re extremely far from that now.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

#60

This is the one thing that I actually thought cryptocurrency would help - getting small adhoc payments out from under the bootheel of Mastercard and Visa, and especially for international transfers that cross between, say, the MC/Visa duopoly regions into other ones like the Asian ecosystems. But instead it's slow, inconsistent, inconvenient, balkanised, dripping with scams, criminals and bad actors and still involve…

Fully agree. We should just settle on a single internet currency thats fast, interoperable and not a market for speculation. Hmm perhaps we don’t need more types of currency? Perhaps it’s better to push deep integration of modern banking changes like psd2, psd3 and others. Across the whole internet. So everyone can just do regular payments with their own bank in a safe and protected way, and hopefully with less inter…

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