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Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Do you have some better sources to offer than two random Twitter accounts which quite clearly sling Russian propaganda?

Pointing out evidence of a UK rag fabricating photos to fit a Western propaganda narrative is... Russian propaganda?!

Your sources are not credible

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If we look at what happened in Tunisia or Libya after they got rid of their secular dictators (Gadaffi an Ben Ali), it doesn't have to be that way. They were also fears of them becoming islamic states, yet they didn't. If we look at Egypt, they could become again a dictatorship.

Libya is pretty much an Islamist and borderline slaver nation now. It’s much, much worse than it was under gaddafi. Tunisia is the only place the Arab spring might have been tentatively “successful”.

But before Gaddafi was publicly executed we had a lot of negative news about Libya but now Libya is a forgotten country.

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> but it's hard to comprehend why Russia was unable to do anything at all Did you miss that Russia has to import cannon fodder, artillery grenades and missiles from North Korea and attack drones from Iran? I don't think they have any resources to spare in Syria at the moment.

There hasn't been a single scrap of evidence to support the claims of Russia using North Korean... there have however been several cases of the media getting caught lying about it, doctoring photos etc: https://x.com/AXChristoforou/status/1864324321960972298?t=4H... https://x.com/BowesChay/status/1864447294474457245?t=yK0OU-9... The North Korean claims appear to be complete lies, designed to make Russia look bad.

Yeah, the Daily Mail is tepid bin juice. It's extremely likely they fell for something they found online rather than them being the originators of the images -- they're still scum, but they aren't spending enough time or money on their "content" to be doing anything that sophisticated.

All of this to say, pointing out the Daily Mail's crap doesn't really indict "the media" as a whole. I don't think that one story is what American big general guy is referring to as "reports".

Russia definitely does look bad though, and that is no accident -- but I don't think it's the fake stories doing the heavy lifting.

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They have destroyed the rest of their industrial capacity and economy in the process, an outcome very much desired by US and friends.

Russia isn't that interesting any longer, economy wise. China is the competitor to the US nowadays. All Russia has is nukes and troll farms, and corruption.

Russia has all the minerals to support any size of Chinese war machine ramping. It’s not their economy that matters.

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GDP is a measure of economic output. If your economy doesn't produce much then it is very hard to sustain a high intensity war.

Russia can turn into a war economy - which means GDP is nearly irrelevant. Right now they're doing warfare while still keeping the lights on at little inconvenience for the public. They can change that around.

They can shift production from consumer goods to war goods, but total productive capacity won't grow dramatically. Productive capacity will likely decline due to the large number of able bodied men sent to their deaths or to be maimed.

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Quick reminder that Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014, before that they invaded Georgia and before that they took Chechnia. And yet even now the popular belief in the West is that the war in Ukraine will be the end of it and that some sort of a peace deal can hold.

Thank you. It has been incredibly frustrating to watch the modern appeasement movement repeat the mistakes of the 1930s. You cannot appease an expansionist power that's intent on restoring the glory of an empire from days gone by (real or imagined).

Few believe Russia would risk expansion into nato territory.

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> a literal terrorist group who committed a terrorist attack killing innocent civilians in Turkey just over one month ago! Not condoning the attack, but it's also not that black and white. It was an attack on a defense contractor.

So, what, if Al Queda shot up a Boeing facility that would all be fine then? And so was the attack on the Pentagon?

Well it depends on how just you think their cause is. I doubt too many people here would criticize the Ukrainians attacking Russian factories.

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Rebel? How about we just call them for what they are, Turkish proxies in the north and US proxies in the east.

These "moderate rebels" are literally Al Qaeda and ISIS, but western media is manufacturing consent for them in real-time: [0] https://x.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1865009325669818430?t=r-Pr... I'd also note that HTS is a proscribed terror organisation in the UK - yet nobody is having their doors kicked in for supporting them, in stark contrast to those publishing the truth about Israel, Palestine and Lebanon.

'Moderate' is in quotes. The full article[1] mentions the al-Qaeda and IS links, and expresses doubt over the 'moderate' image (which is why it's in quotes). That tweet is a misrepresentation. Never mind the ranting about "Israeli spies".

[1]: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-moderate-jihadist-l...

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That link I gave is propaganda BS. It claims the syrian army gave the terrorists( SDF) control over the new areas, while in reality they fought with US support against iranian and syrian regime militias. So that iran could not send support without fighting their way through it, maybe a turning point in this war. It was just to illustrate that Erdogans goals are not peace, after Assad is gone.

That's all well and good. Could you please reply to my other question? I'm very curious where this notion is coming from.

The sentence "I said going the authorian islamic way,", implies that there is an "authoritarian Islamic" way. What is that? Because it sounds like you're implying that the religion has intrinsic authoritarian aspects to it.

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That's what I'm thinking too. But if that's true, it means Ukraine has a real fighting chance to put them on their knees. In any case, this seems like a major loss for Russia.

> it means Ukraine has a real fighting chance to put them on their knees. Yes, and this point has been obvious to many for the last two years. The problem has been the west drip feeding aid into the largest war since WW2. We actually have to define the objective as reclaiming all Ukranian territory (at least to the pre-2022 borders) and supply them appropriately. It might be expensive in the short-term but we can aff…

Ukraine is out of time because Trump was re-elected. Only Europe can save them now and that will put Europe at odds with Putin/Trump.
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