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Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Post by throwaway2037 »

Caius-Cosades wrote: post #138
Simon_ORourke wrote: post #133

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> * how will Turkey negotiate with this facing the pkk and Kurdish nationalism? Hopefully Turkey does the honorable thing, recognizes an independent Kurdish state and apologizes for decades of oppression, murder and state-sanction terror? Unlikely though.

Why would they? They can just steam-roll across all freely available western Syria until they encounter Israeli forces coming from south, and then roll across eastern Syria until United States starts dropping bombs on them, at which point they will likely stop and start thinking about more permanent borders.

US and Türkiye are both members of NATO and strong allies. I don't think the US will be bombing Türkiye troops in Syria.

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Post by somedude895 »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #248
somedude895 wrote: post #115

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Anything that weakens Iran and its proxies is good news. They‘ve been the main reason for instability in the region. The cutting of supply routes to Hezbollah is another nail in the coffin for a militia that‘s kept Lebanon from eventually becoming a functional state, instead keeping it in perpetual war or near-war with Israel, which only serves Iran and the people Iran supports financially. Iran has torpedoed any att…

> Iran has torpedoed any attempts at normalizing relationships between Arabs and Israel What about the recent peace/trade deals between Israel and UAE and Qatar? The Qatar one was most surprising to me because Qatar has excellent relations with Iran, partly due to their sharing of one of the world's largest natural gas fields.

So far it's been one step forward, one step back, due to Iran, see the now frozen rapprochement between Saudi and Israel. But thankfully all signs point to Iran's influence waning, which is now accelerating in part thanks to Israel ignoring the Biden administration's calls for another premature ceasefire that would only allow Iran to rearm their proxies and keep the untenable status quo that ultimately harms everybody in the area alike.

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Post by paxys »

kgeist wrote: post #2

It's interesting that everywhere, the government forces simply abandoned their posts, and none of Syria's allies appear to be willing to intervene in any way. Maybe there's something else going on we don't know yet.

I'm guessing the government ran out of money and stopped paying them.

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Post by j_maffe »

lukan wrote: post #244
AngaraliTurk wrote: post #233

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I was giving you the benefit of doubt all this time, but your comments about my country confirms to me that you're misinformed. For all I hate Erdoğan and his attempts to undermine democracy, and I want to see him gone sooner or later, Turkey is as much an Islamic authoritarian state as USA is a Christian authoritarian one under the rule of Trump. There seems to be a tendency to exaggerate the realities on the ground…

I said going the authorian islamic way, not that you are already a califat. Sorry for the missunderstanding, I am aware that turkey is all in all still quite democratic and secular and we seem to both not like the direction Erdogan is heading. My point was, Erdogans influence over the SNA is not comforting me. Btw. I just read, a pro SNA news source: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/russia-astana-format-meeti... It…

Why are you relating authoritarianism with "Islamic way" or even the Caliphates? I've never seen anyone make this claim before, which is, to be honest, quite absurd.

Edit: Also your linked article no longer reflects the current stance of Russia.

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Post by lukan »

fooker wrote: post #240
wiseowise wrote: post #215

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It’s not sustainable for Ukraine.

NATO is ensuring it’s just about sustainable.

Yes, by pushing to reduce the drafting age, which the Ukrainian don't want to, because someone needs to raise families and Ukraine has a way lower population, while Putin brings in north koreans already. And can also escalate by general mobilisation at some point if cornered. So I don't see the outcome as clear.

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Post by AngaraliTurk »

teractiveodular wrote: post #238
AngaraliTurk wrote: post #236

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The Iraqi Kurdistan (KRG) you mention has friendly relations with Turkey.

The main Syrian Kurdish militia has very unfriendly relations with Turkey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Defense_Units

It was a reply to your comment:

> However, Turkey to the north is really not keen on the Kurds having any territory, so they'll do whatever they can to frustrate this.

It's not true that Turkey is not keen on the Kurds having any territory because their friendly relations with KRG is a counter example.

Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Post by lukan »

j_maffe wrote: post #254
lukan wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I said going the authorian islamic way, not that you are already a califat. Sorry for the missunderstanding, I am aware that turkey is all in all still quite democratic and secular and we seem to both not like the direction Erdogan is heading. My point was, Erdogans influence over the SNA is not comforting me. Btw. I just read, a pro SNA news source: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/russia-astana-format-meeti... It…

Why are you relating authoritarianism with "Islamic way" or even the Caliphates? I've never seen anyone make this claim before, which is, to be honest, quite absurd. Edit: Also your linked article no longer reflects the current stance of Russia.

That link I gave is propaganda BS. It claims the syrian army gave the terrorists( SDF) control over the new areas, while in reality they fought with US support against iranian and syrian regime militias. So that iran could not send support without fighting their way through it, maybe a turning point in this war.

It was just to illustrate that Erdogans goals are not peace, after Assad is gone.

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Post by otherme123 »

postingawayonhn wrote: post #221
refulgentis wrote: post #60

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Russia's military is about 4-5x the size in men and 10x the budget, and 10x compounded over years, and years, and years. What's a GDP? :)

GDP is a measure of economic output. If your economy doesn't produce much then it is very hard to sustain a high intensity war.

Specially a modern war, in a foreign country were you can't play resistance. Modern war logistics are difficult and expensive.

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Post by echoangle »

Timber-6539 wrote: post #186
paxys wrote: post #160

More than anything this shows how terrible a shape Russia and Iran are in. A 15 year long proxy war ended with a whimper.

Your logic posits that the good guys lost i.e Russia & Iran, supposedly fighting terrorists in Syria.

How do you read that from the comment?

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Post by crvst »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #250
someotherperson wrote: post #126

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Somewhere between 0 and None, which is a good thing for literally everyone. Unless we’re now cheering for ethnostates and a full blown Turkish invasion. Even the Syrian Kurds don’t want independence, rather just autonomy as part of a multiethnic Northern region.

Almost every country in the region is an ethostate. The only reason Kurds would say they don't want their country is Turkey.

Virtually every country in this region was drawn up by the British and French with little regard for ethnic or religious boundaries. What are you talking about?
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