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OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by kaashif »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #12
bbor wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He started the company - I’m no Elon fan myself, but that’s the case. Also, you’re disagreeing with him anyway; he’s saying that starting a company who’s defining purpose was to avoid a for-profit race to AGI and then immediately pivot to ruthless for-profit competition as soon as you have a real shot at your goal (+ an advantage) is deceptive. And yeah, I’ve gotta give it to him: tragic. Tho I guess that’s “Homeric”…

> He started the company - I’m no Elon fan myself, but that’s the case. Point out what he did that couldn't be done by Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, or Mark Zuckerburg, or in fact that was done by Jeff Bezos with his own company. And I don't mean some ephemeral "well he wanted to!" yeah big fucking deal. I want to convert a DeLorean to an EV powertrain to commute to work. I want to have a garage big enough for 5 cars an…

Is your argument that Blue Origin could easily do what SpaceX does, but voluntarily chooses not to for some reason despite every incentive?

Isn't a much simpler explanation that they can't?

Elon hired the right people and let them get on with it, at the very least. For whatever reason, Jeff Bezos was not capable of that.

Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by DennisP »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #12
bbor wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He started the company - I’m no Elon fan myself, but that’s the case. Also, you’re disagreeing with him anyway; he’s saying that starting a company who’s defining purpose was to avoid a for-profit race to AGI and then immediately pivot to ruthless for-profit competition as soon as you have a real shot at your goal (+ an advantage) is deceptive. And yeah, I’ve gotta give it to him: tragic. Tho I guess that’s “Homeric”…

> He started the company - I’m no Elon fan myself, but that’s the case. Point out what he did that couldn't be done by Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, or Mark Zuckerburg, or in fact that was done by Jeff Bezos with his own company. And I don't mean some ephemeral "well he wanted to!" yeah big fucking deal. I want to convert a DeLorean to an EV powertrain to commute to work. I want to have a garage big enough for 5 cars an…

Bezos did start a rocket company, and it's been in business longer than SpaceX, but he hasn't managed to get a rocket to orbit with it. Apparently it's not as trivial as you make out.

Meanwhile SpaceX launched 87% of the world's payload mass in 2023.

https://www.astralytical.com/insights/its-a-spacex-world-eve...

Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by bloomingkales »

guluarte wrote: post #18
rgbrenner wrote: post #16

GPT is insufficient for AGI. It might be part of the solution one day, but it's fundamentally incapable of bridging the gap by itself. Despite what Altman/OpenAI says in public, I think he knows this too... That's why they dissolved the Superalignment safety team; and dropping the AGI clause just confirms that. As time goes on, the "AGI is coming" hype machine gets harder to sustain... and their work/company will beg…

yep, it is just a glorified markov chain

This glorified Markov chain educates me better than many things. Why are people so intent on calling bullshit on AI?

It might be a disease honestly.

Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by kelseyfrog »

etna_ramequin wrote: post #11
IAmGraydon wrote: post #6

> As per the current terms, when OpenAI creates AGI - defined as a "highly autonomous system that outperforms humans at most economically valuable work" - Microsoft's access to such a technology would be void. That’s their definition of AGI? What does that have to do with actual intelligence?

That’s a self-defeating definition. Work that can be automated at no marginal cost is economically worthless. Edit for clarity: “worthless” as in “no value add”, its worth is only capital investment and energy input.

Work that can be automated is worth exactly at the price it's sold at, not at what it costs. Besides, the marginal cost of AGI isn't zero - servers still cost electricity to run.

Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #15
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He started the company - I’m no Elon fan myself, but that’s the case. Point out what he did that couldn't be done by Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, or Mark Zuckerburg, or in fact that was done by Jeff Bezos with his own company. And I don't mean some ephemeral "well he wanted to!" yeah big fucking deal. I want to convert a DeLorean to an EV powertrain to commute to work. I want to have a garage big enough for 5 cars an…

Point out what he did that couldn't be done by Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, or Mark Zuckerburg, or in fact that was done by Jeff Bezos with his own company. "If you were going to start Facebook, you'd have started Facebook." - apocryphally credited to Zuckerberg. You do know that Bezos started his rocket company before SpaceX, right? If he could beat SpaceX, why hasn't he? As for sex bots, that'll happen soon enough, b…

> "If you were going to start Facebook, you'd have started Facebook." - apocryphally credited to Zuckerberg.

No, I wouldn't, because I have a soul and I don't want to light the mental health of the entire world on fire no matter how much money it makes me.

> You do know that Bezos started his rocket company before SpaceX, right? If he could beat SpaceX, why hasn't he?

I don't know what "beat" means in this context nor am I particularly interested in billionare's dick measuring contests which are funded in part by the taxpayer.

My point isn't that someone did it. I'm sick to death of Elon's mythmaking and I'm going to shout into the void every time it comes up until the day I die that that man hasn't done shit besides write checks. Say what you will about Fuckerburg, and I've said plenty, but at least he actually wrote some of Facebook's code.

Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by paxys »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #6

> As per the current terms, when OpenAI creates AGI - defined as a "highly autonomous system that outperforms humans at most economically valuable work" - Microsoft's access to such a technology would be void. That’s their definition of AGI? What does that have to do with actual intelligence?

By that definition we invented AGI during the industrial revolution.

Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

kaashif wrote: post #21
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He started the company - I’m no Elon fan myself, but that’s the case. Point out what he did that couldn't be done by Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, or Mark Zuckerburg, or in fact that was done by Jeff Bezos with his own company. And I don't mean some ephemeral "well he wanted to!" yeah big fucking deal. I want to convert a DeLorean to an EV powertrain to commute to work. I want to have a garage big enough for 5 cars an…

Is your argument that Blue Origin could easily do what SpaceX does, but voluntarily chooses not to for some reason despite every incentive? Isn't a much simpler explanation that they can't? Elon hired the right people and let them get on with it, at the very least. For whatever reason, Jeff Bezos was not capable of that.

> Elon hired the right people and let them get on with it, at the very least. For whatever reason, Jeff Bezos was not capable of that.

Yes. He wrote checks. That's it. That is not a skill.

(I'm posting too fast)

> No. Elon is a guy who will himself sleep on the factory floor to get something done. He is the guy who famously said "when you're going through hell, keep going". He is the guy who bet his entire fortune on electric cars and rockets when no one thought that was a bright idea.

What does sleeping on the factory floor do apart from obstruct anyone on said floor who happens to be trying to work? This is literally the same nonsense parroted by grindset influencers, and it is just that, nonsense. If you overwork yourself, your output is notably reduced, and of worse quality, you know, because YOU'RE TIRED and you should fucking sleep.

And bet his fortune? Fucking spare me. Every one of his companies could go under and that man would still be incredibly, absurdly rich. Elon Musk, sir, is as far from poverty as you and I are from his beloved Mars.

Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by [deleted] »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #10
F7F7F7 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve had AI influencers reaching out to inquire about the bridge I have for sale, everyday for the past 2 years. We’ll never see AGI in its original definition in our lifetimes. It doesn’t take being a rocket…company buying billionaire.

I wouldn't be comfortable saying we'll never see AGI in our lifetimes. I've seen incredible progress since I was a kiddo and computers were these huge machines that took up an entire desk, not to mention that only a decade prior to that, they were machines that took up entire warehouses. And now, I carry around a computer who's primary function is organizing my life and helping me kill time, and it has hundreds of ti…

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