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Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by etna_ramequin » Sat, Dec 07, 2024, 4:06 PM UTC

IAmGraydon wrote: post #6

> As per the current terms, when OpenAI creates AGI - defined as a "highly autonomous system that outperforms humans at most economically valuable work" - Microsoft's access to such a technology would be void. That’s their definition of AGI? What does that have to do with actual intelligence?

That’s a self-defeating definition. Work that can be automated at no marginal cost is economically worthless.

Edit for clarity: “worthless” as in “no value add”, its worth is only capital investment and energy input.

Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by ToucanLoucan » Sat, Dec 07, 2024, 4:08 PM UTC

bbor wrote: post #8

F7F7F7 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve had AI influencers reaching out to inquire about the bridge I have for sale, everyday for the past 2 years. We’ll never see AGI in its original definition in our lifetimes. It doesn’t take being a rocket…company buying billionaire.

He started the company - I’m no Elon fan myself, but that’s the case. Also, you’re disagreeing with him anyway; he’s saying that starting a company who’s defining purpose was to avoid a for-profit race to AGI and then immediately pivot to ruthless for-profit competition as soon as you have a real shot at your goal (+ an advantage) is deceptive. And yeah, I’ve gotta give it to him: tragic. Tho I guess that’s “Homeric”…

> He started the company - I’m no Elon fan myself, but that’s the case.

Point out what he did that couldn't be done by Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, or Mark Zuckerburg, or in fact that was done by Jeff Bezos with his own company. And I don't mean some ephemeral "well he wanted to!" yeah big fucking deal. I want to convert a DeLorean to an EV powertrain to commute to work. I want to have a garage big enough for 5 cars and a shop. I want to have a sex bot that me and the wife can share. Anyone can fucking want something. What did Elon bring to the table besides wanting it, and money?

Being an investor is not a skill. Paying for things is not a job. Buying stuff or people is not a trade. And I'm sick to death of people buying his and other's PR saying that paying someone else to do cool shit is the same thing as doing cool shit.

Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by Spooky23 » Sat, Dec 07, 2024, 4:09 PM UTC

bbor wrote: post #8

F7F7F7 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve had AI influencers reaching out to inquire about the bridge I have for sale, everyday for the past 2 years. We’ll never see AGI in its original definition in our lifetimes. It doesn’t take being a rocket…company buying billionaire.

He started the company - I’m no Elon fan myself, but that’s the case. Also, you’re disagreeing with him anyway; he’s saying that starting a company who’s defining purpose was to avoid a for-profit race to AGI and then immediately pivot to ruthless for-profit competition as soon as you have a real shot at your goal (+ an advantage) is deceptive. And yeah, I’ve gotta give it to him: tragic. Tho I guess that’s “Homeric”…

Elon got out-Eloned.

I think the bigger tale is how Microsoft is essentially getting swindled here, and Zuckerberg looks like a man of the people somehow.

Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by CamperBob2 » Sat, Dec 07, 2024, 4:13 PM UTC

F7F7F7 wrote: post #5

tim333 wrote: post #3

> “We’ve also said that our intention is to treat AGI as a mile marker along the way. We’ve left ourselves some flexibility because we don’t know what will happen,” added Altman Musk accusing Altman of “deceit of Shakespearean proportions.”

I’ve had AI influencers reaching out to inquire about the bridge I have for sale, everyday for the past 2 years. We’ll never see AGI in its original definition in our lifetimes. It doesn’t take being a rocket…company buying billionaire.

We’ll never see AGI in its original definition in our lifetimes. It doesn’t take being a rocket…company buying billionaire.

No, because whenever somebody says they've achieved it, someone else -- maybe you -- will say they haven't. The question will never be settled to everyone's satisfaction.

We don't know what intelligence is, or how to measure it objectively, much less how to define "general intelligence." So it's hard to say whether current approaches to AI will get there or not.

I see it as a tool to be used by people, one that may evolve into the most powerful tool we've ever built. I don't find the question of "intelligence" all that interesting.

Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by CamperBob2 » Sat, Dec 07, 2024, 4:14 PM UTC

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #12

bbor wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He started the company - I’m no Elon fan myself, but that’s the case. Also, you’re disagreeing with him anyway; he’s saying that starting a company who’s defining purpose was to avoid a for-profit race to AGI and then immediately pivot to ruthless for-profit competition as soon as you have a real shot at your goal (+ an advantage) is deceptive. And yeah, I’ve gotta give it to him: tragic. Tho I guess that’s “Homeric”…

> He started the company - I’m no Elon fan myself, but that’s the case. Point out what he did that couldn't be done by Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, or Mark Zuckerburg, or in fact that was done by Jeff Bezos with his own company. And I don't mean some ephemeral "well he wanted to!" yeah big fucking deal. I want to convert a DeLorean to an EV powertrain to commute to work. I want to have a garage big enough for 5 cars an…

Point out what he did that couldn't be done by Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, or Mark Zuckerburg, or in fact that was done by Jeff Bezos with his own company.

"If you were going to start Facebook, you'd have started Facebook." - apocryphally credited to Zuckerberg.

You do know that Bezos started his rocket company before SpaceX, right? If he could beat SpaceX, why hasn't he?

As for sex bots, that'll happen soon enough, be patient. At this point there is nothing but a few incremental advances in robotics and material science standing in the way of implementing the bots from Garland's Ex Machina or Spielberg's AI. The software side is basically working now.

Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by rgbrenner » Sat, Dec 07, 2024, 4:15 PM UTC

GPT is insufficient for AGI. It might be part of the solution one day, but it's fundamentally incapable of bridging the gap by itself.

Despite what Altman/OpenAI says in public, I think he knows this too... That's why they dissolved the Superalignment safety team; and dropping the AGI clause just confirms that.

As time goes on, the "AGI is coming" hype machine gets harder to sustain... and their work/company will begin to be valued on the actual value it produces.

Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by fixprix » Sat, Dec 07, 2024, 4:16 PM UTC

IAmGraydon wrote: post #6

> As per the current terms, when OpenAI creates AGI - defined as a "highly autonomous system that outperforms humans at most economically valuable work" - Microsoft's access to such a technology would be void. That’s their definition of AGI? What does that have to do with actual intelligence?

Imagine someone from 4 years ago reading this comment and being like… what?

Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by guluarte » Sat, Dec 07, 2024, 4:16 PM UTC

rgbrenner wrote: post #16

GPT is insufficient for AGI. It might be part of the solution one day, but it's fundamentally incapable of bridging the gap by itself. Despite what Altman/OpenAI says in public, I think he knows this too... That's why they dissolved the Superalignment safety team; and dropping the AGI clause just confirms that. As time goes on, the "AGI is coming" hype machine gets harder to sustain... and their work/company will beg…

yep, it is just a glorified markov chain

Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by FagNigKiller » Sat, Dec 07, 2024, 4:16 PM UTC

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #12

bbor wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He started the company - I’m no Elon fan myself, but that’s the case. Also, you’re disagreeing with him anyway; he’s saying that starting a company who’s defining purpose was to avoid a for-profit race to AGI and then immediately pivot to ruthless for-profit competition as soon as you have a real shot at your goal (+ an advantage) is deceptive. And yeah, I’ve gotta give it to him: tragic. Tho I guess that’s “Homeric”…

> He started the company - I’m no Elon fan myself, but that’s the case. Point out what he did that couldn't be done by Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, or Mark Zuckerburg, or in fact that was done by Jeff Bezos with his own company. And I don't mean some ephemeral "well he wanted to!" yeah big fucking deal. I want to convert a DeLorean to an EV powertrain to commute to work. I want to have a garage big enough for 5 cars an…

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Re: OpenAI seeks to unlock investment by ditching 'AGI' clause with Microsoft

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Post by ctoth » Sat, Dec 07, 2024, 4:19 PM UTC

guluarte wrote: post #18

rgbrenner wrote: post #16

GPT is insufficient for AGI. It might be part of the solution one day, but it's fundamentally incapable of bridging the gap by itself. Despite what Altman/OpenAI says in public, I think he knows this too... That's why they dissolved the Superalignment safety team; and dropping the AGI clause just confirms that. As time goes on, the "AGI is coming" hype machine gets harder to sustain... and their work/company will beg…

yep, it is just a glorified markov chain

A Stochastic parrot, you stochastically parrot.