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Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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Post by NBJack »

samcheng wrote: post #107
swalling wrote: post #66

The wood is pretty, but as someone who uses this terminal, the key improvement is that they raised the ceiling and significantly increased the amount of natural light. Here's a good photo of what it looked like before: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Portland_Internation... The major functional drawback is that wayfinding for both arrivals and departures is much worse. The overall flow of foot traffic is way…

Does any of the famous carpet still remain? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_International_Airport...

Wow. That is an impressive rabbit hole to explore.

> She also said that the Port of Portland "understand[s] that people have an emotional connection to the carpet".

Not a phrase I expected to read today.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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Post by ciabattabread »

swalling wrote: post #66

The wood is pretty, but as someone who uses this terminal, the key improvement is that they raised the ceiling and significantly increased the amount of natural light. Here's a good photo of what it looked like before: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Portland_Internation... The major functional drawback is that wayfinding for both arrivals and departures is much worse. The overall flow of foot traffic is way…

How much in additional HVAC costs result from having high ceilings though?

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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Post by insane_dreamer »

samcheng wrote: post #107
swalling wrote: post #66

The wood is pretty, but as someone who uses this terminal, the key improvement is that they raised the ceiling and significantly increased the amount of natural light. Here's a good photo of what it looked like before: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Portland_Internation... The major functional drawback is that wayfinding for both arrivals and departures is much worse. The overall flow of foot traffic is way…

Does any of the famous carpet still remain? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_International_Airport...

It's new carpet but with that same design.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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Post by insane_dreamer »

georgeburdell wrote: post #50
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #21

I just flew through there and saw the renovation for the first time, and it is an absolutely stunning transformation. Just incredible. I loved it. The whole thing. From the ceiling to the ticketing islands to the reworked security to the amphitheater style seating areas at the terminal exit where friends & family can await your arrival. It feels spacious, natural, functional, and hospitable.

Please tell me they kept a patch of the iconic carpet around

The carpeted walkways have it (it's new, but that same iconic design)

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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Post by NBJack »

refurb wrote: post #129
sexy_seedbox wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Death penalty if done in Singapore. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disneyland_with_the_Death_Pe...

Not for smoking. Only for smuggling a shockingly low amount of 0.5 kg. Locals don’t get too upset when poor foreigners get executed. If you’re caught smoking (citizens can be tested at the airport and a positive result is a possession charge) you’ll likely have to serve a 3-6 month detention at a drug treatment facility and so drug tests for the next 2-3 years. If clean, you’ll be stuck with a criminal record for the…

Not sure why folks are down voting you; it's a legitimate fact.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Singapore

https://www.cnb.gov.sg/educational-resources/myths-and-facts...

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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Post by CrazyStat »

ciabattabread wrote: post #192
swalling wrote: post #66

The wood is pretty, but as someone who uses this terminal, the key improvement is that they raised the ceiling and significantly increased the amount of natural light. Here's a good photo of what it looked like before: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Portland_Internation... The major functional drawback is that wayfinding for both arrivals and departures is much worse. The overall flow of foot traffic is way…

How much in additional HVAC costs result from having high ceilings though?

Portland has pretty mild weather. Probably not much.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

paranoidrobot wrote: post #102
Sparkyte wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the other improvement people don't pay attention to is the new TSA scanners you don't have to take your laptop out.

Sounds like the same scanner tech that has been deployed at some Australian airports. Flying out of Melbourne 18 months ago and I'm getting ready to take my laptop and water bottle out. Nope, firmly told to keep it all in my bag. They still pulled me aside, but had a cool 3D model of the inside of my bag. Of course they ruin the efficiency advantage of that by then putting us through body scanners. If you're not in t…

I got dinged by the hand wipes for "positive explosive residue". My only guess about that it could have been was I was still using the nicotine pouches at the time and they do have an interesting powder on them. They said it happens pretty often, but I was pretty wigged out and I'm usually a very calm traveler.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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Post by ericd »

Perz1val wrote: post #124
morsch wrote: post #114

I agree it looks nice, but dressing up an airport in sustainable materials won't materially change the fact that a flight Boston - NYC (one-way!) blasts through ~0.7t[1] of CO2eq of your yearly budget of 1-3t[2]. It won't change the fact, but I'm sure it'll make it easier to forget or ignore. [1] https://co2.myclimate.org/en/portfolios?calculation_id=75775... [2] e.g. https://ieep.eu/publications/carbon-inequality-in…

The carbon emission is not a problem, the imbalance is. When we burn fossil fuels, we use carbon that was stored by dead plants being buried. We take carbon from the ground and dump it in the atmosphere. Plants take carbon from the atmosphere. If were to bury the equivalent amount of wood, we would be equal. Buried wood is not useful, but building from it also locks the carbon somewhere else that isn't an atmosphere.…

There's a simple way to think about this that doesn't require doing a ton of research and number crunching. Think about the volume of fuel in a single airplane, about 7,000 gallons for a 737, or about 100 55 gallon drums. It's nowhere near exact, but you can roughly equate that volume of fuel to the volume of volume of wood to compare carbon - I'm pretty sure this is being very generous to the energy density of the wood, but it gives you an upper limit on what the wood could be sequestering (I think in reality jet fuel is something like 2-3x as energy/carbon dense per m^3). Now think about how many planes take off every day from an airport, and the volume of n*100 drums.

It's just nowhere near in reality, and we're not going to make a large dent via sequestration, the "finite" airports is functionally infinite for our purposes. We have to start making carbon neutral fuel.

That said, manufacturing concrete is incredibly carbon intensive, so avoiding making the amount we would've needed for this building is a pretty good win.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #170
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #21

I just flew through there and saw the renovation for the first time, and it is an absolutely stunning transformation. Just incredible. I loved it. The whole thing. From the ceiling to the ticketing islands to the reworked security to the amphitheater style seating areas at the terminal exit where friends & family can await your arrival. It feels spacious, natural, functional, and hospitable.

> It feels spacious, natural, functional, and hospitable. If we want to solve the climate crisis, this is everything an airport should not be.

Is there any room for ornamentation in your view then? I'm afraid that your cause is dead in the water with that perspective.

Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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Post by AlgorithmicTime »

morsch wrote: post #114

I agree it looks nice, but dressing up an airport in sustainable materials won't materially change the fact that a flight Boston - NYC (one-way!) blasts through ~0.7t[1] of CO2eq of your yearly budget of 1-3t[2]. It won't change the fact, but I'm sure it'll make it easier to forget or ignore. [1] https://co2.myclimate.org/en/portfolios?calculation_id=75775... [2] e.g. https://ieep.eu/publications/carbon-inequality-in…

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