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Post by danparsonson »

bena wrote: post #454
motoxpro wrote: post #311

If one makes $150 an hour and it saves them 1.25 hours a month, then they break even. To me, it's just a non-deterministic calculator for words. If it getting things wrong, then don't use it for those things. If you can't find things that it gets right, then it's not useful to you. That doesn't mean those cases don't exist.

I don't think this math depends on where that time is saved. If I do all my work in 10 hours, I've earned $1500. If I do it all in 8 hours, then spend 2 hours on another project, I've earned $1500. I can't bill the hours "saved" by ChatGPT. Now, if it saves me non-billing time, then it matters. If I used to spend 2 hours doing a task that ChatGPT lets me finish in 15 minutes, now I can use the rest of that time to bi…

It's like sale discounts - "save $50!" which actually means "spend $450 instead of $500"

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Post by beachy »

informal007 wrote: post #649
danpalmer wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that OpenAI don't really have the enterprise market at all. Their APIs are closer in that many companies are using them to power features in other software, primarily Microsoft, but they're not the ones providing end user value to enterprises with APIs. As for ChatGPT, it's a consumer tool, not an enterprise tool. It's not really integrated into an enterprises' existing toolset, it's not integrated int…

This remind me why enterprise don't integrated OpenAI product into existing toolset, trust is root reason. It's hard to provide trust to OpenAI that they won't steal data of enterprise to train next model in a market where content is the most valuable element, compared office, cloud database, etc.

> It's hard to provide trust to OpenAI that they won't steal data of enterprise to train next model

Bit of a cynical take. A company like OpenAI stands to lose enormously if anyone catches them doing dodgy shit in violation of their agreements with users. And it's very hard to keep dodgy behaviour secret in any decent sized company where any embittered employee can blow the whistle. VW only just managed it with Dieselgate by keeping the circle of conspirators very small.

If their terms say they won't use your data now or in the future then you can reasonably assume that's the case for your business planning purposes.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by shadowmanif »

jsheard wrote: post #2

Expect more of this as they scramble to course-correct from losing billions every year, to hitting their 2029 target for profitability. That money's gotta come from somewhere. > Price hikes for the premium ChatGPT have long been rumored. By 2029, OpenAI expects it’ll charge $44 per month for ChatGPT Plus, according to reporting by The New York Times. I suspect a big part of why Sora still isn't available is because t…

Totally agree with Sora.

Runway is $35 a month to generate 10 second clips and you really get very few generations for that. $95 a month for unlimited 10 second clips.

I love art and experimental film. I really was excited for Sora but it will need what feels like unlimited generation to explore what it can do . That is going to cost an arm and a leg for the compute.

Something about video especially seems like it will need to be ran locally to really work. Pay a monthly fee for the model that can run as much as you want with your own compute.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by mtlynch »

submeta wrote: post #394

I actually pay 166 Euros a month for Claude Teams. Five seats. And I only use one. For myself. Why do I pay so much? Because the normal paid version (20 USD a month) interrups the chats after a dozen questions and wants me to wait a few hours until I can use it again. But Teams plan gives me way more questions. But why do I pay that much? Because Claude in combination with the Projects feature, where I can upload two…

Kagi Ultimate (US$25/mo) includes unlimited use of all the Anthropic models.

Full disclosure: I participated in Kagi's crowdfund, so I have some financial stake in the company, but I mainly participated because I'm an enthusiastic customer.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by dr_kiszonka »

jamwil wrote: post #466

I’ll say one thing. As an existing Plus subscriber, if I see a single nag to upgrade that I can’t dismiss entirely and permanently, I will cancel and move elsewhere. Nothing irks me more as an existing paying customer than the words ‘Upgrade Now’ or a greyed out menu option with a little [PRO] badge to the side.

I am with you. I bought AccuWeather Premium a few years ago (lifetime) to avoid ads. Later, they introduced the Premium+ subscription and are nagging me with its ads now. Very annoying.

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Post by mark_l_watson »

404mm wrote: post #362
griomnib wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have several local models I hit up first (Mixtral, Llama), if I don’t like the results then I’ll give same prompt to Claude and GPT. Overall though it’s really just for reference and/or telling me about some standard library function I didn’t know of. Somewhat counterintuitively I spend way more time reading language documentation than I used to, as the LLM is mainly useful in pointing me to language features. Afte…

What model sizes do you run locally? Anything that would work on a 16GB M1?

I ha e a 32G M2, but most local models I use fit into my 8G old M1 laptop.

I can run the QwQ 32G model with Q4 on my 32G M2.

I suggest using https://Ollama.com on Mac, Windows, and Linux. I experiments with all options on Apple Silicon and liked Ollama best.

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Post by fudged71 »

vessenes wrote: post #631
fudged71 wrote: post #482

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The new pricing tier suggests they're taking the Jobs approach - betting that their technology integration and reliability will justify premium positioning. But they face more intense commoditization pressure than either IBM or Apple did, given the rapid advancement of open-source models. The critical question is timing - if they wait too long to establish their enterprise position, they risk being overtaken by commo…

For sure. If I were in charge of AI for the US, I'd prioritize having a known good and best-in-class LLM available not least for national security reasons; OAI put someone on gov rel about a year ago, beltway insider type, and they have been selling aggressively. Feels like most of the federal procurement is going to want to go to using primes for this stuff, or if OpenAI and Anthropic can sell successfully, fine. Gr…

Somehow I missed the Anduril partnership announcement. I agree with you. National Security relationships in particular creates a moat that’s hard to replicate even with superior technology.

It seems possible OpenAI could maintain dominance in government/institutional markets while facing more competition in commercial segments, similar to how defense contractors operate.

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

mtlynch wrote: post #664
submeta wrote: post #394

I actually pay 166 Euros a month for Claude Teams. Five seats. And I only use one. For myself. Why do I pay so much? Because the normal paid version (20 USD a month) interrups the chats after a dozen questions and wants me to wait a few hours until I can use it again. But Teams plan gives me way more questions. But why do I pay that much? Because Claude in combination with the Projects feature, where I can upload two…

Kagi Ultimate (US$25/mo) includes unlimited use of all the Anthropic models. Full disclosure: I participated in Kagi's crowdfund, so I have some financial stake in the company, but I mainly participated because I'm an enthusiastic customer.

I'm uninformed about this, it may just be superstition, but my feeling while using Kagi in this way is that after using it for a few hours it gets a bit more forgetful. I come back the next day and it's smart again, for while. It's as if there's some kind of soft throttling going on in the background.

I'm an enthusiastic customer nonetheless, but it is curious.

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Post by int_19h »

jerjerjer wrote: post #178
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #117

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Am I wrong that Anthropic doesn't really have a match yet to ChatGPT's o1 model (a "reasoning" model?)

Is a "reasoning" model really different? Or is it just clever prompting (and feeding previous outputs) for an existing model? Possibly with some RLHF reasoning examples? OpenAI doesn't have a large enough database of reasoning texts to train a foundational LLM off it? I thought such a db simply does not exist as humans don't really write enough texts like this.

We don't know the specifics of GPT-o1 to judge, but we can look at open weights model for an example. Qwen-32B is a base model, QwQ-32B is a "reasoning" variant. You're broadly correct that the magic, such as it is, is in training the model into a long-winded CoT, but the improvements from it are massive. QwQ-32B beats larger 70B models in most tasks, and in some cases it beats Claude.

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #16
kilroy123 wrote: post #14

I do wonder what effect this will have on furthering the divide between the "rich West" and the rest of the world. If everyone in the West has powerful AI and Agents to automate everything. Simply because we can afford it, but the rest of the world doesn't have access to it. What will that mean for everyone left behind?

Qwen has an open reasoning model. If they keep up, and don’t get banned in the west “because security”, it’ll be fun to watch the LLM wars.

> and don’t get banned in the west “because security”,

It's from Alibaba, which is Chinese, so it seems likely.

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