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Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by vessenes »

fudged71 wrote: post #482
vessenes wrote: post #461

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Agreed on the strategy questions. It's interesting to tie back to IBM; my first reaction was that openai has more consumer connectivity than IBM did in the desktop era, but I'm not sure that's true. I guess what is true is that IBM passed over the "IBM Compatible" -> "MS DOS Compatible" business quite quickly in the mid 80s; seemingly overnight we had the death of all minicomputer companies and the rise of PC desktop…

The new pricing tier suggests they're taking the Jobs approach - betting that their technology integration and reliability will justify premium positioning. But they face more intense commoditization pressure than either IBM or Apple did, given the rapid advancement of open-source models. The critical question is timing - if they wait too long to establish their enterprise position, they risk being overtaken by commo…

For sure. If I were in charge of AI for the US, I'd prioritize having a known good and best-in-class LLM available not least for national security reasons; OAI put someone on gov rel about a year ago, beltway insider type, and they have been selling aggressively. Feels like most of the federal procurement is going to want to go to using primes for this stuff, or if OpenAI and Anthropic can sell successfully, fine.

Grok winning the Federal bid is an interesting possible outcome though. I think that, slightly de-Elon-ed, the messaging that it's been trained to be more politically neutral (I realize that this is a large step from how it's messaged) might be a real factor in the next few years in the US. Should be interesting!

Fudged71 - you want to predict openai value and importance in 2029? We'll still both be on HN I'm sure. I'm going to predict it's a dominant player, and I'll go contra-Gwern, and say that it will still be known as best-in-class product delivered AI, whether or not an Anthropic or other company has best-in-class LLM tech. Basically, I think they'll make it and sustain.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by abhpro »

EcommerceFlow wrote: post #391

After a few hours of $200 Pro usage, it's completely worth it. Having no limit on o1 usage is a game changer, where I felt so restricted before, the amount of intelligence at the palm of my hand UNLIMITED feels a bit scary.

But is it better than Claude?

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by apstls »

jwpapi wrote: post #488
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #407

I just bought a pro subscription. First impressions: The new o1-Pro model is an insanely good writer. Aside from favoring the long em-dash (—) which isn't on most keyboards, it has none of the quirks and tells of old GPT-4/4o/o1. It managed to totally fool every "AI writing detector" I ran it through. It can handle unusually long prompts. It appears to be very good at complex data analysis. I need to put it through i…

Wait how did you buy it. I’m just getting forwarded to Team Plan I already have. Sitting in Germany, tried US VPN as well.

The endpoint for upgrading for the normal web interface was returning 500s for me. Upgrading through the iOS app worked though.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by rank0 »

warkanlock wrote: post #366
motoxpro wrote: post #311

If one makes $150 an hour and it saves them 1.25 hours a month, then they break even. To me, it's just a non-deterministic calculator for words. If it getting things wrong, then don't use it for those things. If you can't find things that it gets right, then it's not useful to you. That doesn't mean those cases don't exist.

Serious question: Who earns (other than C-level) $150 an hour in a sane (non-US) world?

Why is high salaries an insane thing?

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Post by furyofantares »

bronco21016 wrote: post #39
MarcScott wrote: post #33

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Anecdotally, as an educator, I am already seeing a digital divide occurring, with regard to accessing AI. This is not even at a premium/pro subscription level, but simply at a 'who has access to a device at home or work' level, and who is keeping up with the emerging tech. I speak to kids that use LLMs all the time to assist them with their school work, and others who simply have no knowledge that this tech exists. I…

What are some productive ways students are using LLMs for aiding learning? Obviously there is the “write this paper for me” but that’s not productive. Are students genuinely doing stuff like “2 + x = 4, help me understand how to solve for x?”

Paste the lecture notes in and talk to it

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by fenomas »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #472
Atotalnoob wrote: post #425

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AI writing detectors are snake oil

Startup I'm at has generated a LOT of content using LLMs and once you've reviewed enough of the output, you can easily see specific patterns in the output. Some words/phrases that, by default, it overuses: "dive into", "delve into", "the world of", and others. You correct it with instructions, but it will then find synonyms so there is also a structural pattern to the output that it favors by default. For example, if…

> if we tell it "Don't start your writing with 'dive into'", it will just switch to "delve into" or another synonym.

LLMs can radically change their style, you just have to specify what style you want. I mean, if you prompt it to "write in the style of an angry Charles Bukowski" you'll stop seeing those patterns you're used to.

In my team for a while we had a bot generating meeting notes "in the style of a bored teenager", and (besides being hilarious) the results were very unlike typical AI "delvish".

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Post by rmbyrro »

fudged71 wrote: post #443

OpenAI is racing against two clocks: the commoditization clock (how quickly open-source alternatives catch up) and the monetization clock (their need to generate substantial revenue to justify their valuation). The ultimate success of this strategy depends on what we might call the enterprise AI adoption curve - whether large organizations will prioritize the kind of integrated, reliable, and "safe" AI solutions Open…

In the early days of ChatGPT, I'd get constantly capped, every single day, even on the paid plan. At the time I was sending them messages, begging to charge me $200 to let me use it unlimited.

Finally!..

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #603
Someone1234 wrote: post #496

Why doesn't Pro include longer context windows? I'm a Plus member, and the biggest limitation I am running into by far is the maximum length of a context window. I'm having context fall out of scope throughout the conversion or not being able to give it a large document that I can then interrogate. So if I go from paying $20/month for 32,000 tokens, to $200/month for Pro, I expect something more akin to Enterprise's…

Switch to Gemini Pro just when you need huge context size. That is what I do.

Just? You don't think the model is as capable when the context does fit?
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