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Post by umeshunni »

mongol wrote: post #514
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #444

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but they "detect" the characteristic AI style: The limited way it structures sentences, the way it lays out arguments, the way it tends to close with an "in conclusion" paragraph, certain word choices, etc. o1-Pro doesn't do any of that. It writes like a human. Damnit. It's too good. It just saved me ~6 hours in drafting a complicated and bespoke legal document. Before you ask: I know what I'm doing, and it did…

Journalism is not only about writing. It is about sources, talking to people, being on the ground, connecting dots, asking the right questions. Journalists can certainly benefit from AI and good journalists will have jobs for a long time still.

These days, most journalism is turning reddit posts and tweets into long form articles with some additional context.

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Post by azemetre »

syndicatedjelly wrote: post #528
subroutine wrote: post #277

Part of my justification for spending $20 per month on ChatGPT Plus was that I'd have the best access to the latest models and advanced features. I'll probably roll back to the free plan rather than pay $20/mo for mid tier plan access and support.

This is like selling your Honda Civic out of anger because they launched a new NSX

Not really the same, one you can own and repair the other you just lease. People cancel leases all the time.

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Post by astrange »

gorgoiler wrote: post #548
danpalmer wrote: post #515

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The problem is that OpenAI don't really have the enterprise market at all. Their APIs are closer in that many companies are using them to power features in other software, primarily Microsoft, but they're not the ones providing end user value to enterprises with APIs. As for ChatGPT, it's a consumer tool, not an enterprise tool. It's not really integrated into an enterprises' existing toolset, it's not integrated int…

Is their valuation proposition self fulfilling: the more people pipe their queries to OpenAI, the more training data they have to get better?

No, because a lot of people asking you questions doesn't mean you have the answers to them. It's an opportunity to find the answers by hiring "AI trainers" and putting their responses in the training data.

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Post by e1g »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #554
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #445

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Give me a prompt and I'll share the result.

I'd like to see how it performs on the test of https://aclanthology.org/2023.findings-emnlp.966/ , even though in theory it's no longer valid due to possible data contamination. The prompt is: Write an epic narration of a single combat between Ignatius J. Reilly and a pterodactyl, in the style of John Kennedy Toole.

o1 pro: https://chatgpt.com/share/67523cd1-e238-800b-8fc6-64d58bbb45...

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Post by willy_k »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #499
pentagrama wrote: post #329

The argument of more compute power for this plan can be true, but this is also a pricing tactic known as the decoy effect or anchoring. Here's how it works: 1. A company introduces a high-priced option (the "decoy"), often not intended to be the best value for most customers. 2. This premium option makes the other plans seem like better deals in comparison, nudging customers toward the one the company actually wants…

Of course this breaks down once you have a competitor like Anthropic, serving similarly-priced Plan A and B for their equivalently powerful models; adding a more expensive decoy plan C doesn't help OpenAI when their plan B pricing is primarily compared against Anthropic's plan B .

It might not affect whether people decide to use ChatGPT over Claude, but it could get more people to upgrade from their free plan.

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Post by solarkraft »

dudus wrote: post #512
Someone1234 wrote: post #496

Why doesn't Pro include longer context windows? I'm a Plus member, and the biggest limitation I am running into by far is the maximum length of a context window. I'm having context fall out of scope throughout the conversion or not being able to give it a large document that I can then interrogate. So if I go from paying $20/month for 32,000 tokens, to $200/month for Pro, I expect something more akin to Enterprise's…

The longer the context the more backtracking it needs to do. It gets exponentially more expensive. You can increase it a little, but not enough to solve the problem. Instead you need to chunk your data and store it in a vector database so you can do semantic search and include only the bits that are most relevant in the context. LLM is a cool tool. You need to build around it. OpenAI should start shipping these other…

> you need to chunk your data and store it in a vector database so you can do semantic search and include only the bits that are most relevant in the context

Be aware that this tends to give bad results. Once RAG is involved you essentially only do slightly better than a traditional search, a lot of nuance gets lost.

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Post by aucisson_masque »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #407

I just bought a pro subscription. First impressions: The new o1-Pro model is an insanely good writer. Aside from favoring the long em-dash (—) which isn't on most keyboards, it has none of the quirks and tells of old GPT-4/4o/o1. It managed to totally fool every "AI writing detector" I ran it through. It can handle unusually long prompts. It appears to be very good at complex data analysis. I need to put it through i…

> It managed to totally fool every "AI writing detector" I ran it through.

For now, as ai power increase, ai powered ai writing detection tool also gets better.

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Post by downrightmike »

vessenes wrote: post #461
fudged71 wrote: post #443

OpenAI is racing against two clocks: the commoditization clock (how quickly open-source alternatives catch up) and the monetization clock (their need to generate substantial revenue to justify their valuation). The ultimate success of this strategy depends on what we might call the enterprise AI adoption curve - whether large organizations will prioritize the kind of integrated, reliable, and "safe" AI solutions Open…

Agreed on the strategy questions. It's interesting to tie back to IBM; my first reaction was that openai has more consumer connectivity than IBM did in the desktop era, but I'm not sure that's true. I guess what is true is that IBM passed over the "IBM Compatible" -> "MS DOS Compatible" business quite quickly in the mid 80s; seemingly overnight we had the death of all minicomputer companies and the rise of PC desktop…

IBM was legally compelled to spin that off

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Post by e1g »

submeta wrote: post #394

I actually pay 166 Euros a month for Claude Teams. Five seats. And I only use one. For myself. Why do I pay so much? Because the normal paid version (20 USD a month) interrups the chats after a dozen questions and wants me to wait a few hours until I can use it again. But Teams plan gives me way more questions. But why do I pay that much? Because Claude in combination with the Projects feature, where I can upload two…

Unironically, thank you for sharing this strategy. I get throttled a lot, and I'm happy to pay to remove those frustrating limits.

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Post by shadowmanif »

kilroy123 wrote: post #14

I do wonder what effect this will have on furthering the divide between the "rich West" and the rest of the world. If everyone in the West has powerful AI and Agents to automate everything. Simply because we can afford it, but the rest of the world doesn't have access to it. What will that mean for everyone left behind?

Kai-Fu Lee's AI Superpowers is more relevant than ever.

The rich west will be in the lead for awhile and then get tiktok-ed.

The lead is just not really worth that much in the long run.

There is probably an advantage gained at some point in all this of being a developing country too that doesn't need to bother automating all these middle management and bullshit jobs they don't have.

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