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Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by rlupi »

brink wrote: post #61

What is actually of value here? There's no actual game, it's incredibly expensive to compute, the behavior is erratic.. It's cool because it's new - but that will quickly wear off, and once that's gone, what's left? There's insane amounts of money being spent on this, and for what?

We, humans, use dreams for consolidating memory and information recall, process emotions and rehearse feelings in different imagined contexts, mental housekeeping / pruning away partial or unnecessary information, replay recent events to review and analyze, etc.

Dreaming and sleeping is incredibly expensive, we spend 33% of our "availability" on average asleep.

This kind of work is a step toward building similar tools for general AI agents (IMHO).

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Post by BlueTemplar »

digging wrote: post #402
BlueTemplar wrote: post #296

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I think that would be Rimworld, which is laser-focused on this aspect to the point of allowing you to pick different kinds of "narrators" ? (Dwarf Fortress being much more focused on generating a whole world.)

But the narrators aren't narrators; they're just different settings for the relative frequencies of events. Dwarf Fortress is still a more robust "story generator", as the vast majority of what occurs in Rimworld is still basically random events, disconnected from prior events or context.

I guess I see what you mean, but the way they handle difficulty scaling, and the existence of quest chains, by being more fake, is closer to how stories are told, than the more 'realistic' simulation of Dwarf Fortress.

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Post by phtrivier »

tigerlily wrote: post #92
phtrivier wrote: post #82

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I don't understand your line of reasoning here. Are you picturing a situation where you would take a photo of a crime scene, and "jump" into a virtual model created from the photo, to help generate intuitions about where to go look for clues ? Kinda like the CSI "enhance quality" meme, but on steroids ? That would be fun to use, but ultimately pointless. An AI model will generate things that are _statistically plausi…

You nailed it, and yes I was being lamely ironic. I am however terrified of a future where this type of thing happens, and people just go along with it instead of stating the obvious facts the way you just did.

It's easy to be on wrong side of the malfunction, and it would be obvious enough that people would do something about it.

Again, the robocop glitch scene - in real life, Kinney's family would have suied, I guess ?

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Post by krainboltgreene »

rjrdi38dbbdb wrote: post #381
fwip wrote: post #319

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Mountains exist, but that doesn't mean we'll ever build a structure the size of Everest.

If you compare the historical rate of improvements in computing power and algorithms vs rate of improvements in building scale, you'll find one is a whole lot more likely to reach its goal, even if the rate of progress slows significantly.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest one of these is more likely within reach. We at least know how Mt. Everest works.

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Post by krainboltgreene »

rjrdi38dbbdb wrote: post #303
krainboltgreene wrote: post #178

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> it's super dismissive to think that wont get better over time When did we start thinking this way? That things HAVE to get better and in fact to think otherwise is very negative? Is HN under a massive hot hand fallacy delusion?

How could creativity in AI not get better? Sure, progress will likely not be linear or without challenges, but we already have the human brain as proof that it is possible.

You're saying AI, the parent I'm replying to is talking about ChatGPT. They aren't the same thing.

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Post by e12e »

erulabs wrote: post #128

It’s interesting to me that we continue to see such pressure on video and world generation, despite the fact that for years now we’ve gotten games and movies that have beautiful worlds filled with lousy, limited, poorly written stories. Star Wars movies have looked phenomenal for a decade, full of bland stories we’ve all heard a thousand times. Are there any game developers working on infinite story games? I don’t ca…

> Are there any game developers working on infinite story games? I don’t care if it looks like Minecraft, I want a Minecraft that tells intriguing stories with infinite quest generation.

Dwarf fortress?

Re: Genie 2: A large-scale foundation world model

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Post by whamlastxmas »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #415
rjrdi38dbbdb wrote: post #303

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How could creativity in AI not get better? Sure, progress will likely not be linear or without challenges, but we already have the human brain as proof that it is possible.

You're saying AI, the parent I'm replying to is talking about ChatGPT. They aren't the same thing.

ChatGPT is a product that exists beyond just LLMs and I do use it synonymously with natural language interface AI

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Post by araes »

brink wrote: post #61

What is actually of value here? There's no actual game, it's incredibly expensive to compute, the behavior is erratic.. It's cool because it's new - but that will quickly wear off, and once that's gone, what's left? There's insane amounts of money being spent on this, and for what?

Ruining the video game industry. The implication the technology is plausible takes away all further interest in having anything except "end game content."

All motivation to make further games is removed because now "somebody" can spool out a 3D adventure game instantly with a line of text. It implies you'll waste a year of your time, and just before release, out pops the dramatically better AI product to steal away all further business and reduce all time you've spent to meaningless. Everybody then waits indefinitely for the "endgame gear." https://xkcd.com/989/

Exactly like LLMs and image generators almost completely took away all business for normal writers and normal painters, because now all managers want is the AI. Now there's endless articles about how "somebody" prefers "AI" for every task. Now the market won't invest in anything unless it has "AI" in the name. Now people idiotically add "AI" to everything just to have the investment.

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Post by streptomycin »

pmayrgundter wrote: post #129
freedryk wrote: post #127

Forget video games. This is a huge step forward for AGI and Robotics. There's a lot of evidence from Neurobiology that we must be running something like this in our brains--things like optical illusions, the editing out of our visual blind spot, the relatively low bandwidth measured in neural signals from our senses to our brain, hallucinations, our ability to visualize 3d shapes, to dream. This is the start of addin…

I can't wait for Schizophrenic automobiles

Or just a schizophrenic automobile alarm https://web.archive.org/web/20110709142518/https://vanemden....

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Post by krainboltgreene »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #417
krainboltgreene wrote: post #415

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You're saying AI, the parent I'm replying to is talking about ChatGPT. They aren't the same thing.

ChatGPT is a product that exists beyond just LLMs and I do use it synonymously with natural language interface AI

No it doesn't and no one else does so you're going to be really confusing in conversations.
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