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Why did clothing become boring?

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Re: Why did clothing become boring?

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Right I'm aware of the 'over the shoulder' style happening in Europe right now. People recognize the utility of a fanny pack sized bag, but would never dare to wear it around the waist, for fear of being ridiculed.

Exactly, and rightfully so. It just looks weird having it around the waist.

I still even carry my phone in a belt pouch. A major Fashion Faux Pas, because I should be cramming it down a pocket, instead, like a civilized member of society. lol.

Re: Why did clothing become boring?

#82
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Why did clothes ever become NOT boring in the first place? Clothes are above all something that warms/protects/hides us from the world. Aesthetic contemplations are really just an afterthought. Also, "fashion" is one of the stupidest things ever, like oh hey, you should now replace your perfectly good clothes every season because someone says so??

Fashion was a major driver (possibly the main one) of the Industrial Revolution. The economics of it kicked off the modern tech-based society we live in today.

Re: Why did clothing become boring?

#83

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There's nothing wrong with the vanity of choosing a fanny pack over pockets or another bag these days. I support your fashion choice. Especially if you prefer your fashion to be functional. I do, too!

You're correct that I care about utility, but incorrect that it's vanity/fashion.

I think that we just think about fashion differently. Putting thought into what you wear for any reason, functional or otherwise, is fashion.

Beyond that, you're choosing a suboptimal and uncommon item for "utility" (a fanny pack) where other, better options would suffice. Why? I can't answer that, maybe to make a statement. In any case, this choice is "fashion".

Props to you for going out wearing what you like and not caring what other people think, be it flip flops or a fanny pack or a feather boa. Rock it!

Re: Why did clothing become boring?

#84
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I think you hit gold there, todays lack of interesting clothes is in my eyes related to two things: - market logic made work clothes boring (think about guild clothing, the only interesting thing I see from time to time is the chimney sweeper) - less people are inclined to feel part of a subculture and/or express that in their fashion choices As someone who was a teenager in the 2000s, back then I had at least 6 diff…

Young people today have as many self imposed rules as my grandmother used to have. Rules about being cool. Rules about gatekeeping. They would 100% be calling people out for wearing white during the wrong season back in the day, only they'd call it clowning on them as if it's any different.

These are things that go in cycles. When people have been doing things in a bunch of subcultures it becomes "ugh, why are you trying so hard to be different" and when people have being all doing the same thing for a long time it's "ugh, why are you trying so hard to fit in". You hit a peak then everybody gets disillusioned and starts doing something different. It's cool to be ahead of the trend.

Re: Why did clothing become boring?

#85
post #26

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I think you hit gold there, todays lack of interesting clothes is in my eyes related to two things: - market logic made work clothes boring (think about guild clothing, the only interesting thing I see from time to time is the chimney sweeper) - less people are inclined to feel part of a subculture and/or express that in their fashion choices As someone who was a teenager in the 2000s, back then I had at least 6 diff…

So how, instead of with clothing, do subcultures express themselves now? By choice of memes? Which fanfic they read? Do people wear boring clothes but pick subculture-signifying avatars? EDIT: Looks like goths are still a thing? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zjg1P_2IPOQ

What happened is all of the counterculture/subcultures/whatever got so popular and kind of mellowed out and melted together into a bunch of samey stuff.

Like how music went through this phase where "not mainstream" music started getting really cool but now all of those sounds are just what everything sounds like now, you can't rebel against mainstream music right now.

Re: Why did clothing become boring?

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post #31
post #25

Why did clothes ever become NOT boring in the first place? Clothes are above all something that warms/protects/hides us from the world. Aesthetic contemplations are really just an afterthought. Also, "fashion" is one of the stupidest things ever, like oh hey, you should now replace your perfectly good clothes every season because someone says so??

What's the point in surviving if no one wants to mate with you, evolutionary speaking. Is your type, dating wise, someone who is warm and dry?

Warm, yes. Dry, quite the opposite.

Re: Why did clothing become boring?

#87
post #25

Why did clothes ever become NOT boring in the first place? Clothes are above all something that warms/protects/hides us from the world. Aesthetic contemplations are really just an afterthought. Also, "fashion" is one of the stupidest things ever, like oh hey, you should now replace your perfectly good clothes every season because someone says so??

Let me guess you're a Star Trek fan?

Clothes, as with many things in life, can be a form of artistic expression. What's so wrong with that?

Re: Why did clothing become boring?

#88
I find it weird that he shows those immigrant clothes at end the as an expression of individuality. If you were to go back to the origin towns of those immigrants, almost everyone would wear the same thing! It's the same with all traditional clothes, they are quite close to uniforms. They show the exact opposite of individuality, they show membership of a certain group. And taking too many liberties with that outfit would be frowned upon in the community.

Re: Why did clothing become boring?

#89
I bet you'd find a lot more variety in a random sample of 100 people today than you would in, say, the 17th century. I think the way he's framing this is weird. He's comparing drawings of aristocratic costumes that were notable enough to archive for posterity, as well as pictures of people's ceremonial garb (and best going-to-meeting clothes) with an unevidenced claim that people today all dress alike (do they?). To make an apples-to-apples comparison, compare those historical clothes with NY Fashion Week, or Cosplayers. Or, compare the surviving wool trousers and tunics of a medieval peasant with a picture of what people today are wearing in the average subway car or grocery store.

Re: Why did clothing become boring?

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I think there are a couple of important things missing from this article. One is that until relatively recently clothing served a very different function to that of today. In Europe, in our grandparents’ or even parents’ childhoods - as late even as the 1970s - housing and transport was very different to how it is now. Clothing was largely purpose-specific; people had far fewer clothes than today but those clothes ha…

  For men that mean different weights of woollen suits for spring and autumn versus winter, and linen suits for summer.
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