Why are some people so eager to give Facebook the role of dictating social behavior, rather than forcing them to be what they should be, a tool that facilitates our own social desires and expectations?
Facebook Groups Start Showing Exactly Who Saw Each Post
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#42I can't decide if this is good or bad. I don't participate in a lot of FB groups, but I do a lot of politely keeping my mouth shut in other forms of online communication. I think I would feel like I was being put on the spot to say something, particularly in a small group. A lot of times, I'm not going to lie and agree with that thing someone said, but I also don't want to invest the energy into arguing it with them,…
As a student, my classmates and I use Facebook groups to organize activities. If, for example, the stage manager announces via Facebook that there will be rehearsal at a specific time, or that you should bring $5 for the director's gift, it'd be pretty stupid for all 35 cast members to reply "k" and nobody does this. But the message needs to reach all of them, and the SM has no idea who's been informed, so instead he gives himself carpel-tunnel texting everyone individually (because there is a social expectation that you acknowledge texts.)
A stage manager is in serious trouble if half the cast didn't know to show up, so he'll do it the hard way if he has to. But for large, informal social groups, people who don't use Facebook as actively simply fall through the cracks. I'm part of a roughly 30-member group that gets together to watch hilariously awful movies. We organize on Facebook, and people who don't happen to see our posts get left behind and forget about it. If the host of a movie night could easily see who already knows about it, he can contact the others by phone or in person, increasing engagement with the group while respecting those who silently declined.
Being able to see who you've already reached makes Facebook a pretty massive convenience in cases where it previously had no advantage, increasing engagement with both Facebook itself and the real-world entities represented by Facebook groups. I'd call it a win-win.
>If the other person knows you saw their message, then there's the potential for them to perceive your lack of response as rude or a show of obvious disagreement.
This goes both ways. Yes, it does eliminate ambiguity - you saw the message and chose not to respond; there wasn't a technical glitch. But where the person you're talking to would previously have escalated to a more invasive form of communication like a phone call, he now knows there's nothing wrong with Facebook; you're just not interested.
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#43Why are some people so eager to give Facebook the role of dictating social behavior, rather than forcing them to be what they should be, a tool that facilitates our own social desires and expectations?
They're fixing a serious error in the way they model conversation. Please explain how this is "dictating social behavior."
People engaged in an in-person conversation constantly and involuntarily give each other verbal and nonverbal cues indicating the receipt (or loss/corruption) of each message. One of the primary gripes against the text-based communication Facebook et al "forced" us to use is the loss of that subconscious channel. Having an unreliable chat system that created the ability to hide behind "oh sorry, I didn't get your message" was one way Facebook corrupted human social interaction. Now they're making it right.
I, for one, desire and expect reliable delivery of my messages to my friends' attention. Do you see a workable solution besides acknowledgments?
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hope this doesn't spread to Events too... it'll be harder to flake out of stuff. Or maybe that's what they're going for?
Then I'd say fuck events. Stop trying to change my behavior by holding me responsible by being a creepy web application I'm forced to use due to network effects. I still file this one under fuck Facebook.
>Stop trying to change my behavior by holding me responsible
In general, being responsible is a good thing...
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#45Wow, I was just thinking in the shower yesterday just how horrible this exact feature would be, and how facebook wouldn't have grown if one saw how much your friends didn't see what you posted.
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#46Wow, I was just thinking in the shower yesterday just how horrible this exact feature would be, and how facebook wouldn't have grown if one saw how much your friends didn't see what you posted.
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#47Wow, this feature and the comment history feature(when editing a comment) make me uncomfortable. They might as well begin showing you who is seeing your profile and how much.
They don't? Orkut showed you who has seen your profile (but not in real time).
It's one thing Facebook has (always?) been careful not to show. Even with 3rd party apps they'd proxy all content so you couldn't make a "who's viewed my profile" app.
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#48Why are some people so eager to give Facebook the role of dictating social behavior, rather than forcing them to be what they should be, a tool that facilitates our own social desires and expectations?
They're fixing a serious error in the way they model conversation. Please explain how this is "dictating social behavior." People engaged in an in-person conversation constantly and involuntarily give each other verbal and nonverbal cues indicating the receipt (or loss/corruption) of each message. One of the primary gripes against the text-based communication Facebook et al "forced" us to use is the loss of that subc…
Text-based conversations are not in-person conversations! Text-based communication has existed for centuries prior to Facebook, and existing social protocols are perfectly capable of handling "seen" notifications. "Sorry, I didn't get your message" and other half-truths are an essential part of human interaction. If you want to know if your friends received a text message, just ask them. Instantaneous "X saw your message" notifications are an intolerable intrusion into private behavior, as they can convey unintended meaning without verifying user intent, especially in multi-party conversations.
Aside from the mangling of social behavior, "seen" is an impossible flag to get right. Maybe someone else was using the PC, maybe the person shut their PC down without looking at their browser window, even though the browser window was focused, etc.
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#49I can't decide if this is good or bad. I don't participate in a lot of FB groups, but I do a lot of politely keeping my mouth shut in other forms of online communication. I think I would feel like I was being put on the spot to say something, particularly in a small group. A lot of times, I'm not going to lie and agree with that thing someone said, but I also don't want to invest the energy into arguing it with them,…
I think the social issues will work themselves out pretty quickly once people get used to it. When instant messaging was new, the same discomfort existed.
I think there's a huge difference between private messages between two people, and allowing everyone in a group to monitor other's usage.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then I'd say fuck events. Stop trying to change my behavior by holding me responsible by being a creepy web application I'm forced to use due to network effects. I still file this one under fuck Facebook.
>Stop trying to change my behavior by holding me responsible In general, being responsible is a good thing...
having the choice is the fundamental thing for fucks sake, what world do you live in? sheep