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They don't make them like that any more: the Yamaha DX7 keyboard

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Re: They don't make them like that any more: the Yamaha DX7 keyboard

#31
If you want a professional Yamaha FM synth from the 1980’s, the V50 is a bargain. It was the last of the DX’s and is essentially two DX9’s with a sequencer and a drum machine.

For clarity, the later 4 op FM chips, have multiple wave forms and provide a sonic space as powerful as the earlier sine wave only six Op chips…they are not identical but equivalent.

Re: They don't make them like that any more: the Yamaha DX7 keyboard

#32
post #18

> With hindsight, the DX7 and its ilk look like a weird diversion in the path of musical progress. Operator synthesis makes no logical sense. It became popular because we had the capability to do digital sound generation, but lacked the technology to do it in a comprehensible, systematic way. So the DX7 enjoyed huge popularity for a few years, before fading into obscurity. That's a weird take. I mean "Operator synthe…

I have a MODX and although it’s so damn powerful when it comes to sound design - each of the 16 parts can have 8 layers each, it’s a lot of work to do anything with it. I’ve seen piano patches that sound REALISTIC because in 8 layers, you can model the hammer, the initial string hit, the cabinet echo, string resonance, and a whole lot of other timbres… but it takes SO MUCH EFFORT. So unless you’re a /real/ sound desi…

I would be extremely interested in a video or article describing that kind of patch (one with a physical analogue/interpretation). Are you referring to something specific?

Re: They don't make them like that any more: the Yamaha DX7 keyboard

#33
post #18

> With hindsight, the DX7 and its ilk look like a weird diversion in the path of musical progress. Operator synthesis makes no logical sense. It became popular because we had the capability to do digital sound generation, but lacked the technology to do it in a comprehensible, systematic way. So the DX7 enjoyed huge popularity for a few years, before fading into obscurity. That's a weird take. I mean "Operator synthe…

“DX7 … before fading into obscurity.”

Uh, yeah, that is quite a take. Like most synths, the DX7 went through an untrendy era, but it’s certainly bounced back and you’ll hear its patches used all over the place today. That Top Gun tubular bell patch, for example, shows up quite a bit - most recently heard it on a track called 4AM (the Fauns Remix) by Power Glove.

Not to mention there are a ton of software emulations, including the free Dexed. There are literally thousands of DX7 patches available online, and what’s great about Dexed is it makes it easy to transfer them to a real DX7 using MIDI sysex.

What’s also great about Dexed is that it makes programming the DX7 a lot easier, especially if you have the first revision, like me, with the membrane buttons that look cool in all their multicoloured glory but are complete ass to use.

I get the sense there’s a really thriving community around this excellent and highly influential synth.

And that’s not even going in to all the excellent new FM synths that you’ve talked about, which trace their heritage back to the DX7.

Re: They don't make them like that any more: the Yamaha DX7 keyboard

#34
The DX7 is an incredible synth, but one of the joys of playing is hearing the sound change to your adjustments and the DX7 just doesn't do that. But it is great fun to feed through filter, delay and reverb pedals. Thats kind of the best of both worlds

Re: They don't make them like that any more: the Yamaha DX7 keyboard

#35
>They don't make them like that any more: the Yamaha DX7 keyboard

Greg Kihn Band Breakup Song with the unforgettable lyric, "they don't write 'em like that any more" did not use the DX7 at least because it was not available in 1981, but the keyboardist Gary Philips was known to use Minimoog, Prophet-5, Wurlitzer, Rhodes and Yamaha pianos with the band. In 1983 Gary Philips was an early adopter of the DX7. They don't make them like that any more either.

Re: They don't make them like that any more: the Yamaha DX7 keyboard

#36
> An interesting development was the discovery that, if the operators started with square, rather than sine, waveforms, it didn’t take as many operators to create interesting sounds.

Is this true? How and why? I imagine the square basis also contributed to the brilliance, not being band-limited.

Re: They don't make them like that any more: the Yamaha DX7 keyboard

#37
post #18

> With hindsight, the DX7 and its ilk look like a weird diversion in the path of musical progress. Operator synthesis makes no logical sense. It became popular because we had the capability to do digital sound generation, but lacked the technology to do it in a comprehensible, systematic way. So the DX7 enjoyed huge popularity for a few years, before fading into obscurity. That's a weird take. I mean "Operator synthe…

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Re: They don't make them like that any more: the Yamaha DX7 keyboard

#38
post #36

> An interesting development was the discovery that, if the operators started with square, rather than sine, waveforms, it didn’t take as many operators to create interesting sounds. Is this true? How and why? I imagine the square basis also contributed to the brilliance, not being band-limited.

It has the most harmonics.

Re: They don't make them like that any more: the Yamaha DX7 keyboard

#39
post #18

> With hindsight, the DX7 and its ilk look like a weird diversion in the path of musical progress. Operator synthesis makes no logical sense. It became popular because we had the capability to do digital sound generation, but lacked the technology to do it in a comprehensible, systematic way. So the DX7 enjoyed huge popularity for a few years, before fading into obscurity. That's a weird take. I mean "Operator synthe…

“DX7 … before fading into obscurity.” Uh, yeah, that is quite a take. Like most synths, the DX7 went through an untrendy era, but it’s certainly bounced back and you’ll hear its patches used all over the place today. That Top Gun tubular bell patch, for example, shows up quite a bit - most recently heard it on a track called 4AM (the Fauns Remix) by Power Glove. Not to mention there are a ton of software emulations,…

>I get the sense there’s a really thriving community around this excellent and highly influential synth.

Not specific to DX7, but its OPL cousins are also highly regarded and extensively researched in game emulation community.

Re: They don't make them like that any more: the Yamaha DX7 keyboard

#40

The DX7 is an incredible synth, but one of the joys of playing is hearing the sound change to your adjustments and the DX7 just doesn't do that. But it is great fun to feed through filter, delay and reverb pedals. Thats kind of the best of both worlds

just for the audience, the DX7 used a newly invented type of synthesis (FM but that doesn't tell you or anybody else anything) and it was alone among synths at the time to produce metallic, brass, bell, etc. sounds. Performers flocked to it to get away from the same old analog synth sound everybody else had. FM synths are programmable, but not easily, and the menu diving was not practical while playing.

Analog (subtractive) synths are very much back in popularity right now and they offer lots of knobs to give bwahgrrrssshhhhwow type transformations

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