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Oracle files notice of appearance for JavaScript trademark [pdf]

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Re: Oracle files notice of appearance for JavaScript trademark [pdf]

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Post by toyg »

thayne wrote: post #20

I'm really curious about Oracle's motivation for fighting this. What value do they see in continuing to hold a trademark they aren't really using, and no one associates with them anyway?

You're looking at it wrong: why ever renounce anything that is already yours?

Oracle should be assumed to always take the greediest and most antisocial position in any legal or economic matter.

Re: Oracle files notice of appearance for JavaScript trademark [pdf]

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Post by thrdbndndn »

diogocp wrote: post #7
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #3

Context: "Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32709870

The real context is that Deno recently filed a petition to cancel the trademark: https://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=92086835

That is where this doc directly came from, not the context (i.e. background) of this event.

Re: Oracle files notice of appearance for JavaScript trademark [pdf]

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Post by swyx »

thayne wrote: post #20

I'm really curious about Oracle's motivation for fighting this. What value do they see in continuing to hold a trademark they aren't really using, and no one associates with them anyway?

oracle is a law firm that happens to sell a database

Re: Oracle files notice of appearance for JavaScript trademark [pdf]

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Post by 7thpower »

thayne wrote: post #21
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #18

No surprise here. If someone files to cancel your trademark and you want to fight it, you file an appearance.

The surprise (kind of) is that Oracle wants to fight it.

They have something valuable and they gain nothing from giving it up.

Re: Oracle files notice of appearance for JavaScript trademark [pdf]

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Post by curtis3389 »

thayne wrote: post #21
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #18

No surprise here. If someone files to cancel your trademark and you want to fight it, you file an appearance.

The surprise (kind of) is that Oracle wants to fight it.

“…You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don’t anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it’ll chop it off, the end. You don’t think ‘oh, the lawnmower hates me’ – lawnmower doesn’t give a shit about you, lawnmower can’t hate you. Don’t anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don’t fall into that trap about Oracle.” – Bryan Cantrill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=2308s

Re: Oracle files notice of appearance for JavaScript trademark [pdf]

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Post by thrdbndndn »

m463 wrote: post #19

Maybe we could change the filetype from .js to .bho https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litigation_involving_Apple_Inc...

I just learned about this case today.

Based purely on the Wikipedia description, Sagan's request seems reasonable, from a moral perspective at least. I have no idea why Apple (or its engineers) would be so butthurt about it.

Re: Oracle files notice of appearance for JavaScript trademark [pdf]

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Post by benatkin »

alberth wrote: post #23

This seems like Deno poked the bear, and now the bear feels forced to defend itself.

More likely they have everything to gain and nothing to lose. They can do it in their sleep, as far as those managing business strategy at Oracle go. The legal department will handle the legal stuff and the PR department will the PR stuff if needed (unlikely).
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